Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

Yep.

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Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

This! Many high quality men do not want women that have taken on masculine characteristics pushed by angry feminism. They also find what women are currently doing to their bodies is gross. Botox, duck lips, fillers, ass implants. Women don't even look like women anymore.
These women act like when looking for a man, they are shopping on the clearance rack but they fail to understand that they are also on the clearance rack.

Imagine you have 10 men and 10 women ranked 1-10 for each sex. Woman #5, an average woman, will want man #2, who will sleep with her. She will reject man #5, who is her match and complain about the lack of quality. She can get sex from a man she likes but not a relationship, and she is incapable of understanding why.

Most of my girlfriends ended up marrying men most here would consider "high value." Most of us do not have significant careers and support our husbands and our families. Back when we were all single, our husbands had lots of choices. Our friends who were focused on their careers are far more likely to be divorced or never married. Those who married had fewer children. It's wild to see how a few of us who had 3-4 kids had more kids than a dozen of our peers put together.

This won't change anytime soon because women evolved to be picky.

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Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Post some pics of women who you think haven’t had any work done. Again, you are thinking of poorly done work. Millions of women have lips that aren’t grotesquely large, but pleasantly plump. Or fillers in checks and jaws to add definition. You are in denial if you think you can tell every person who has it. There are some very skilled (and very expensive!) people who do Botox and filler and the results are beautiful. I haven’t bit the bullet yet, but there are some great possibilities.

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Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

I don't think you get it. It is not hard to find a man. The quality is the issue.

I don't think you get it. You can have a high quality man if you are willing to give him what he wants. He doesn't care about your corporate career. That doesn't make you high quality to him. He already has a good career and makes plenty of money so your career adds absolutely nothing to his happiness. Stop trying to tell men what they should value in a woman, it's their decision - not yours.

This right here! Once you become valuable to a high quality man, you will get one. The main problem is women don't understand what makes them valuable and they keep trying to tell men what they should value in a woman. It doesn't work that way.
All your high earning, high powered career is doing is taking away his best attribute. Being a provider. He would rather marry the waitress and change her life than marry the woman that works long hours to make money that he doesn't need anyway

High quality =\= rich
Rich =\= high quality

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Plenty of SAHMs are educated

MRS degrees don't count.

Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

Because the tables have turned and they refuse to, gasp, actually put initiative into their dating and actually risk rejection by asking a man out. The horror!

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I think the biggest problem in modern dating is that there isn't a natural, organic space for people to meet and get to know each other outside some forced dating construct. Sports is probably the best. I do believe this explains the otherwise very mysterious rise of Pickleball.

Completely agree. I play tennis up at Turkey Thicket in DC sometimes, which is a major pickleball hub in DC. Last summer I was playing tennis there and I noticed this stream of attractive women coming to the courts, but they weren't coming to play tennis, they were playing pickleball. Made me wonder if I was playing the wrong sport.

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Yeah it sucks some times but humans to an extent are built for struggle. I'm not saying this is true for you, but when I go into work and catch up with people's weekends a lot of the child free people hadn't really done shit worth talking about with their glorious free time. Oh, you played Vidya games? Cool

You sound jealous.

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Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

Yes you can. They have the smooth flat faces that don't reflect natural human emotions and they don't have wrinkles or creases that come with aging. The lips are also grotesquely large and plump.

Stop thinking you're pulling one over on us.

Anonymous wrote:Why do women focus on men and their dating issues? Why do women care? I'm seeing these articles in NY times WPost and it always boils down to men's struggles in the dating market. Why do women care especially since they are not the issue? I don't get it

Because women have been conditioned through US culture and basically humanity that they should never have to do anything more than sit on their hands to find a man and that putting forth any effort financially or physically or emotionally is beneath them and means "he doesn't truly want you."

Now that men are finding better, more productive and more fun things to do with their time then pursue unappreciative women with ridiculously long requirements lists, they're freaking out because the tables have turned, but women refuse to put any effort into dating. And no, spending obscene sums of money on haircuts, makeup and gym memberships don't count.

Anonymous wrote:Late 30's man here. When I was younger marriage/children seemed like the default path and was pushed in the media. As I got older and saw my friends enter this stage of life, the realities became much more apparent. Frankly, their lives do not seem very enjoyable. Raising children seems like a pain and their wives are stressed too. They need more money to provide for their families and end up pursuing higher salary jobs that suck. I wouldn't switch places with any of my friends right now. It would take an exceptional woman for me to want to go down that path. I'm fine being alone... at least I have my freedom.

You need to find a woman who makes as much as you do . Have only one child. You can still do all the travel, hobbies and keep up with careers with only child, and reasonable outsourcing. We even took a nanny with us on trips and booked 2 rooms to have privacy as a couple with young child.
It’s just your friends are poor or lazy and don’t want to travel, have zero hobbies.

Because women like the D and the O and will sacrifice everything for those.

Where do you all live where men make up 50%? More like 41% where I live.
They all started to die off at 16+ (drinking, speeding, fighting, drugs) and then came fentanyl.The ones who haven't died yet, are hooked on something, and it's coming to them.
You are asking me to choose the best out of the worst? I'm not a psychiatrist.
I have dated only one mentally healthy man. I left him to someone else as I moved abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:They do because they are struggling to find quality men. When women want something they are on a mission. So it's to their benefits that men don't give up on dating. Women aren't going to admit it, but the vast majority are compromising big time on the person they are currently dating. When 10 women have at most 5 quality guys to pick from clearly most will end up with their options #3 or #4. This is why you see all these threads that have common themes about their bfs/fiancees/husbands

If the women were higher quality themselves, they wouldn't be struggling to find a man. Some of us had no problems finding one

This! Many high quality men do not want women that have taken on masculine characteristics pushed by angry feminism. They also find what women are currently doing to their bodies is gross. Botox, duck lips, fillers, ass implants. Women don't even look like women anymore.
These women act like when looking for a man, they are shopping on the clearance rack but they fail to understand that they are also on the clearance rack.

Men cannot tell if a woman has had good Botox and fillers. Trust me. Many of the women men find most attractive have had these done, it’s just done well.

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Anonymous wrote:Late 30's man here. When I was younger marriage/children seemed like the default path and was pushed in the media. As I got older and saw my friends enter this stage of life, the realities became much more apparent. Frankly, their lives do not seem very enjoyable. Raising children seems like a pain and their wives are stressed too. They need more money to provide for their families and end up pursuing higher salary jobs that suck. I wouldn't switch places with any of my friends right now. It would take an exceptional woman for me to want to go down that path. I'm fine being alone... at least I have my freedom.

Yeah it sucks some times but humans to an extent are built for struggle. I'm not saying this is true for you, but when I go into work and catch up with people's weekends a lot of the child free people hadn't really done shit worth talking about with their glorious free time. Oh, you played Vidya games? Cool

Dp, but ok there Hank Hill. You sound jealous of all their free time. If someone doesn’t want kids they are not going to be a good parent. Stop pushing kids on people who clearly don’t want that life.

What I found after I had kids was I didn’t miss the “free time” I had before that, and spending time with my kids was really great!

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Right.
You’re definitely convincing us and yourself as well.
Your life sucks and yours want everyone else’s to as well. No thanks.

My life with kids is great!

If you are (or would be) miserable with kids, that’s a you problem. And it signifies immaturity of character and smallness of soul.