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Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Are you joking? Have you even read this thread, starting on page 1??
DP

Any time an abortion happens, it is a good thing. How is a 17 year old having a child good in any way?

Wow. A new low for DCUM

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Are you joking? Have you even read this thread, starting on page 1??
DP

Any time an abortion happens, it is a good thing. How is a 17 year old having a child good in any way?

Anonymous wrote:Pro choice here, rabidly so. It's not appropriate for a teacher to get involved with this. I could see if they said, "google planned parenthood" but beyond that, they cannot "help" a kid get a medical procedure.

The letter from the 17 year old girl is floating around the Internet. The girl, an ESOL student, wrote the letter in Spanish, and it appears on the Internet with an English translation. The girl wrote that her parents would be upset, but this of course does not mean there was abuse. she asserts the social worker at the school arranged and paid for the procedure.

My heart broke a little reading the letter. it looked like it was written by a teen,,complete with hearts in lieu of dots above the i"s.What emerges from the letter is a girl who was panicked.

I am pro choice but the schools simply can't do what is alleged. Note that the liberal elitist sensibilities don't work well here. Many Hispanic families dislike abortion.

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All these are allegations.

Before turning into a pitchfork mob, let's wait for the results of the investigation.

There needs to be a thorough investigation, with information released incrementally as the facts are determined. As it stands there is way too much wild speculation coming from both sides.

What we have is a statement from FCPS that they are investigating the report and that they just found out about it this week. I find that hard to believe that a four year old allegation took them by surprise.

The obvious answer is that when it was first alleged, the internal check revealed nothing untoward. But now it has resurfaced on social media and FCPS has to navigate in a savvy manner to avoid becoming the next right-wing target.

In all honestly, this has all the makings of a manufactured outrage for political purposes. As soon as it gets picked up and amplified by some conservative congress person or right wing influencer, FCPS staff is going to get death threats and Youngkin will milk it for all its worth.

The bold does not match up with the FCPS statement to WJLA. FCPS appears to say they just learned about it:

FCPS said, “We learned yesterday of these concerning allegations from 2021. We are launching an immediate and comprehensive investigation as we take all concerns of student wellbeing very seriously.”

How do you square that with their statement?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Are you joking? Have you even read this thread, starting on page 1??
DP

If a child is abused, the school system does not handle it. They turn it over to CPS (or are supposed to do so.) This was a big mistake, if true.

Pro choice here, rabidly so. It's not appropriate for a teacher to get involved with this. I could see if they said, "google planned parenthood" but beyond that, they cannot "help" a kid get a medical procedure.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Go back to page 1. There were some there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Are you serious lol. Read the first page of this thread alone.

Anonymous wrote:Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Has anyone here said that this is OK or defensible?

Lot of legal scholars here lol

Only the looniest would think this is ok or defensible.

Oh no! Will Dems lose again? LWNJs wake up!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
All these are allegations.

Before turning into a pitchfork mob, let's wait for the results of the investigation.

There needs to be a thorough investigation, with information released incrementally as the facts are determined. As it stands there is way too much wild speculation coming from both sides.

What we have is a statement from FCPS that they are investigating the report and that they just found out about it this week. I find that hard to believe that a four year old allegation took them by surprise.

The obvious answer is that when it was first alleged, the internal check revealed nothing untoward. But now it has resurfaced on social media and FCPS has to navigate in a savvy manner to avoid becoming the next right-wing target.

In all honestly, this has all the makings of a manufactured outrage for political purposes. As soon as it gets picked up and amplified by some conservative congress person or right wing influencer, FCPS staff is going to get death threats and Youngkin will milk it for all its worth.

It should have been turned over to CPS. FCPS had no business messing with this. There is good reason to keep the school system out of CPS business.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
All these are allegations.

Before turning into a pitchfork mob, let's wait for the results of the investigation.

There needs to be a thorough investigation, with information released incrementally as the facts are determined. As it stands there is way too much wild speculation coming from both sides.

What we have is a statement from FCPS that they are investigating the report and that they just found out about it this week. I find that hard to believe that a four year old allegation took them by surprise.

The obvious answer is that when it was first alleged, the internal check revealed nothing untoward. But now it has resurfaced on social media and FCPS has to navigate in a savvy manner to avoid becoming the next right-wing target.

In all honestly, this has all the makings of a manufactured outrage for political purposes. As soon as it gets picked up and amplified by some conservative congress person or right wing influencer, FCPS staff is going to get death threats and Youngkin will milk it for all its worth.

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Anonymous wrote:The laws around healthcare consent for minors have conditions for pregnancy, STDs, and mental health. A minor can consent to an abortion without parental involvement, they can’t consent to knee surgery. You may disagree with that, but it is how the law stands.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title54.1/chapter29/section54.1-2969/

Exactly. And, what if the parents were Muslim or evangelical christians or something?

Then the teacher and her student would have no choice accept to navigate this termination all alone.

FWIW, judicial authorization is indeed required if not involving the parents, but there's no requirement to prove abuse or anything, just that the minor needs to be "mature enough and well enough informed to make her abortion decision, in consultation with her physician, independent of the wishes of any authorized person". Paragraph W of https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/16.1-241/


W. Petitions filed by a juvenile seeking judicial authorization for a physician to perform an abortion if a minor elects not to seek consent of an authorized person.

After a hearing, a judge shall issue an order authorizing a physician to perform an abortion, without the consent of any authorized person, if he finds that (i) the minor is mature enough and well enough informed to make her abortion decision, in consultation with her physician, independent of the wishes of any authorized person, or (ii) the minor is not mature enough or well enough informed to make such decision, but the desired abortion would be in her best interest.

My guess is that the legal obligation to get parental or judicial approval applies to the medical staff not the school staff.

I am not saying that what the school staff are alleged to have done, if it happened at all, is right, but my guess is that the legal violations that school staff committed have more to
do with using school funds.