Anonymous wrote:And we wonder with all the money, resources and amounts of youth players we cant be better at international soccer

Worried about rankings on an app
Oy Vey

Or you know, it's a discussion and has absolutely nothing to do with that.

And we wonder with all the money, resources and amounts of youth players we cant be better at international soccer

Worried about rankings on an app
Oy Vey

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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts? Is it realistic?

It's really good overall, but it's not ideal for U13 & U14 MLSNext, as it almost exclusively focuses on Win/loss record, and they won't factor in Quality of Play rankings. I suspect integrating QoP into his existing W/L algo fails the "is the juice worth the squeeze" analysis. But at least scores are still kept and soon enough its back to W/L.

All the ranking spp cares about is wins and losses. It takes the average of one years record and defines the expected number goals that will occur when you play another team. If you play that team and you score more than the expected outcome your ranking goes up if you score less than the expected outcome your ranking goes down.

U13 & U14 MLSNext teams—including MLS academies—are best in class in the US. So when, for a period of two years, MLSNext produces weekly team rankings based NOT ON W/L but a metric called QoP, it skews results and puts lame ECNL and ECNL R turd teams ahead of MLSNext teams.

But even now ECNL teams are ranked higher than MLSNext for those ages. VDA and Arlington are behind only SYC I think.

No horse in the race, just observing.

If MLSN isnt posting scores in a normal format what is the app maker supposed to do?

Not should that would discriminate against MLSNext as a whole. It just messes up the order within MSLNext.

Where’s Revolution in this rank? Better or worse than NVA?

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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts? Is it realistic?

It's really good overall, but it's not ideal for U13 & U14 MLSNext, as it almost exclusively focuses on Win/loss record, and they won't factor in Quality of Play rankings. I suspect integrating QoP into his existing W/L algo fails the "is the juice worth the squeeze" analysis. But at least scores are still kept and soon enough its back to W/L.

All the ranking spp cares about is wins and losses. It takes the average of one years record and defines the expected number goals that will occur when you play another team. If you play that team and you score more than the expected outcome your ranking goes up if you score less than the expected outcome your ranking goes down.

U13 & U14 MLSNext teams—including MLS academies—are best in class in the US. So when, for a period of two years, MLSNext produces weekly team rankings based NOT ON W/L but a metric called QoP, it skews results and puts lame ECNL and ECNL R turd teams ahead of MLSNext teams.

But even now ECNL teams are ranked higher than MLSNext for those ages. VDA and Arlington are behind only SYC I think.

No horse in the race, just observing.

If MLSN isnt posting scores in a normal format what is the app maker supposed to do?

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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts? Is it realistic?

It's really good overall, but it's not ideal for U13 & U14 MLSNext, as it almost exclusively focuses on Win/loss record, and they won't factor in Quality of Play rankings. I suspect integrating QoP into his existing W/L algo fails the "is the juice worth the squeeze" analysis. But at least scores are still kept and soon enough its back to W/L.

All the ranking spp cares about is wins and losses. It takes the average of one years record and defines the expected number goals that will occur when you play another team. If you play that team and you score more than the expected outcome your ranking goes up if you score less than the expected outcome your ranking goes down.

U13 & U14 MLSNext teams—including MLS academies—are best in class in the US. So when, for a period of two years, MLSNext produces weekly team rankings based NOT ON W/L but a metric called QoP, it skews results and puts lame ECNL and ECNL R turd teams ahead of MLSNext teams.

But even now ECNL teams are ranked higher than MLSNext for those ages. VDA and Arlington are behind only SYC I think.

No horse in the race, just observing.

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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts? Is it realistic?

It's really good overall, but it's not ideal for U13 & U14 MLSNext, as it almost exclusively focuses on Win/loss record, and they won't factor in Quality of Play rankings. I suspect integrating QoP into his existing W/L algo fails the "is the juice worth the squeeze" analysis. But at least scores are still kept and soon enough its back to W/L.

All the ranking spp cares about is wins and losses. It takes the average of one years record and defines the expected number goals that will occur when you play another team. If you play that team and you score more than the expected outcome your ranking goes up if you score less than the expected outcome your ranking goes down.

U13 & U14 MLSNext teams—including MLS academies—are best in class in the US. So when, for a period of two years, MLSNext produces weekly team rankings based NOT ON W/L but a metric called QoP, it skews results and puts lame ECNL and ECNL R turd teams ahead of MLSNext teams.

The app maker appears very earnest. You should raise these issues. Maybe it'll be accounted for.

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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts? Is it realistic?

It's really good overall, but it's not ideal for U13 & U14 MLSNext, as it almost exclusively focuses on Win/loss record, and they won't factor in Quality of Play rankings. I suspect integrating QoP into his existing W/L algo fails the "is the juice worth the squeeze" analysis. But at least scores are still kept and soon enough its back to W/L.

All the ranking spp cares about is wins and losses. It takes the average of one years record and defines the expected number goals that will occur when you play another team. If you play that team and you score more than the expected outcome your ranking goes up if you score less than the expected outcome your ranking goes down.

U13 & U14 MLSNext teams—including MLS academies—are best in class in the US. So when, for a period of two years, MLSNext produces weekly team rankings based NOT ON W/L but a metric called QoP, it skews results and puts lame ECNL and ECNL R turd teams ahead of MLSNext teams.

Far from perfect but it’s the best I’ve ever seen and nothing else is even close. It’s hard to argue against the merits of mass data aggregation as opposed to other systems like earning points for “elite” tournaments that are nothing of the sort while not earning points for losing in actually elite tournaments.

And for $10 a year, it’s an easy way to look up a team’s history or play around with matchup predictions.