Anonymous
Post 07/19/2025 22:12     Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
At my kids team, the coaches tell the kids what they will swim. End of story.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2025 06:49     Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
To be clear the meet isn’t called divisionals, it’s called “divisional individual championships”. Winners of the division were announced last week based on the final results of all the final dual meets; some results were probably known prior to the last dual meets.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2025 06:43     Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised they let the swimmers/families pick. In our MCSL team, coaches pick the divisional lineup.


This is NVSL. It’s about the individual swimmer, not the team.



So at the end of divisionals there’s no team scores announced? There’s no benefit to the team at all? Just to the individuals who want to go to all stars?
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2025 06:39     Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honest question from an MCSL parent, why isn’t divisionals a team meet? I don’t understand why they wouldn’t score it that way.

IAS is the individual competition, divisionals is still the same teams competing against each other in a head to head meet.

This would erase this problem completely bc the coaches would place swimmers according to what would put the team in the best position and no one else would be involved in the decision making.


Because Divisionals is the qualifying meet for IAS. If it were a team event, coaches would assign kids based on maximizing team results, not maximizing individual chances to make all stars.

Example: a team has 3 kids who are pretty fast in Freestyle. Only one is fast enough to make IAS, but the other two are also fast enough to earn points for the team. The fastest kid is also a point-earner in backstroke, but not fast enough for IAS. Team does not have other fast backstrokers. As an individual event, that swimmer would swim freestyle for a shot at all stars. As a team event, that swimmer would be put into backstroke so the team could score points in both events, but nobody would qualify for IAS.

If you make Divisionals a team event, you'd have to change how people qualify for all stars. That would be fine, but it's a bigger change than just making Divisionals a team event.


Isn’t every A meet an IAS qualifier? How is. Divisionals different?


You only qualify for IAS based on your Divisionals time.


Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. That really make divisionals just an individual qualifier and unfortunately turns a recreational team sport into basically just another meet for club swimmers.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2025 06:06     Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honest question from an MCSL parent, why isn’t divisionals a team meet? I don’t understand why they wouldn’t score it that way.

IAS is the individual competition, divisionals is still the same teams competing against each other in a head to head meet.

This would erase this problem completely bc the coaches would place swimmers according to what would put the team in the best position and no one else would be involved in the decision making.


Because Divisionals is the qualifying meet for IAS. If it were a team event, coaches would assign kids based on maximizing team results, not maximizing individual chances to make all stars.

Example: a team has 3 kids who are pretty fast in Freestyle. Only one is fast enough to make IAS, but the other two are also fast enough to earn points for the team. The fastest kid is also a point-earner in backstroke, but not fast enough for IAS. Team does not have other fast backstrokers. As an individual event, that swimmer would swim freestyle for a shot at all stars. As a team event, that swimmer would be put into backstroke so the team could score points in both events, but nobody would qualify for IAS.

If you make Divisionals a team event, you'd have to change how people qualify for all stars. That would be fine, but it's a bigger change than just making Divisionals a team event.


Isn’t every A meet an IAS qualifier? How is. Divisionals different?


You only qualify for IAS based on your Divisionals time.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2025 05:57     Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honest question from an MCSL parent, why isn’t divisionals a team meet? I don’t understand why they wouldn’t score it that way.

IAS is the individual competition, divisionals is still the same teams competing against each other in a head to head meet.

This would erase this problem completely bc the coaches would place swimmers according to what would put the team in the best position and no one else would be involved in the decision making.


Because Divisionals is the qualifying meet for IAS. If it were a team event, coaches would assign kids based on maximizing team results, not maximizing individual chances to make all stars.

Example: a team has 3 kids who are pretty fast in Freestyle. Only one is fast enough to make IAS, but the other two are also fast enough to earn points for the team. The fastest kid is also a point-earner in backstroke, but not fast enough for IAS. Team does not have other fast backstrokers. As an individual event, that swimmer would swim freestyle for a shot at all stars. As a team event, that swimmer would be put into backstroke so the team could score points in both events, but nobody would qualify for IAS.

If you make Divisionals a team event, you'd have to change how people qualify for all stars. That would be fine, but it's a bigger change than just making Divisionals a team event.


Isn’t every A meet an IAS qualifier? How is. Divisionals different?
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2025 05:55     Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honest question from an MCSL parent, why isn’t divisionals a team meet? I don’t understand why they wouldn’t score it that way.

IAS is the individual competition, divisionals is still the same teams competing against each other in a head to head meet.

This would erase this problem completely bc the coaches would place swimmers according to what would put the team in the best position and no one else would be involved in the decision making.


Because Divisionals is the qualifying meet for IAS. If it were a team event, coaches would assign kids based on maximizing team results, not maximizing individual chances to make all stars.

Example: a team has 3 kids who are pretty fast in Freestyle. Only one is fast enough to make IAS, but the other two are also fast enough to earn points for the team. The fastest kid is also a point-earner in backstroke, but not fast enough for IAS. Team does not have other fast backstrokers. As an individual event, that swimmer would swim freestyle for a shot at all stars. As a team event, that swimmer would be put into backstroke so the team could score points in both events, but nobody would qualify for IAS.

If you make Divisionals a team event, you'd have to change how people qualify for all stars. That would be fine, but it's a bigger change than just making Divisionals a team event.


But it isn’t just an individual event. If it was just individual then the 12 fastest kids in the division would swim, instead of the two fastest from each team.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 23:05     Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
So since its not a team event, we can all agree it is wrong for a team rep to assign a slower swimmer to a slot sought by someone higher on the ladder right?

You are hurting one swimmer's individual chances to make another kid .... feel better about getting an unearned slot? Wonder how this one is being received.