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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

I am a fed in cybersecurity for a government agency, and I am making 270K/yr in salary. That's a very competitive salary.

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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

LOL! No!

People would still flock to government jobs because you get paid for working 1-2 hours a day.

Name the job and agency. You’re full of it.

The IRS.

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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

LOL! No!

People would still flock to government jobs because you get paid for working 1-2 hours a day.

Name the job and agency. You’re full of it.

IRS IT department.

My neighbor is a full time employee at one company and is also a full time contractor at IRS. His supervisor at IRS works even less.

So a contracting company is committing fraud

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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

LOL! No!

People would still flock to government jobs because you get paid for working 1-2 hours a day.

Name the job and agency. You’re full of it.

IRS IT department.

My neighbor is a full time employee at one company and is also a full time contractor at IRS. His supervisor at IRS works even less.

It’s always a “neighbor”. Hilarious

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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

LOL! No!

People would still flock to government jobs because you get paid for working 1-2 hours a day.

Name the job and agency. You’re full of it.

IRS IT department.

My neighbor is a full time employee at one company and is also a full time contractor at IRS. His supervisor at IRS works even less.

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Anonymous wrote:America is sucking balls.

Do you think it’s fiscally healthy to have the USG as the nation’s largest employer? It’s not sustainable.

Yeah. Having WalMart as our largest employer is a much better indicator of a healthy society and good priorities!

It is. It reflects an employer successfully meeting demand from consumers, and in doing so providing employment for 2.1M people, tax revenues for the governments where it operates, and business for its suppliers. A good news success story if there ever has been one.

Yes, having a family worth 1/2 Trillion dollars, while 10K+ of their employees are on Medicaid and/or SNAP is a fantastic success story. I’m sure if you were born a few years earlier, you’d be singing the praises of indentured servitude and slavers.

The thing about this country and the free market is that nobody is keeping you from building the next Wal-Mart for yourself. If you lack the necessary ambition, work ethic, and skills, that's a you problem, not something the government should remedy for you. Feel free to start your own company, and pay whatever wages you like to your employees. You may be more constrained than you imagine, though, if you'd like to make a profit.

I have no desire to start a company to sell cheap Chinese shit to my fellow citizens. The thing about this country and the “free market” is that this country doesn’t have a true free market economy. You need to take an Econ class beyond Hillsdale’s 101 offering.

So you have no ambition, that's fine. Wal-Mart doesn't force anyone to buy what they offer to sell. Seems like you're merely envious of a successful business model which works because it meets a need. If people didn't want their products at the prices they ask, they would not be successful. If people didn't want to work for them, they'd have no employees. Your personal values are irrelevant to companies like that, which don't care if you patronize them or not - they have an estimated 255 millions customers per week; 90% of U.S. households rely on some of their their products, including those sold by Sam's Club. Looks like your economics education missed something, something not lost on Sam Walton.

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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

LOL! No!

People would still flock to government jobs because you get paid for working 1-2 hours a day.

Name the job and agency. You’re full of it.

NP who is going to post the agencies when DOGE is out there canning people?

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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

LOL! No!

People would still flock to government jobs because you get paid for working 1-2 hours a day.

Name the job and agency. You’re full of it.

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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

LOL! No!

People would still flock to government jobs because you get paid for working 1-2 hours a day.

No, you don’t. Fox News isn’t reality.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

LOL! No!

People would still flock to government jobs because you get paid for working 1-2 hours a day.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America is sucking balls.

Do you think it’s fiscally healthy to have the USG as the nation’s largest employer? It’s not sustainable.

Yeah. Having WalMart as our largest employer is a much better indicator of a healthy society and good priorities!

It is. It reflects an employer successfully meeting demand from consumers, and in doing so providing employment for 2.1M people, tax revenues for the governments where it operates, and business for its suppliers. A good news success story if there ever has been one.

Yes, having a family worth 1/2 Trillion dollars, while 10K+ of their employees are on Medicaid and/or SNAP is a fantastic success story. I’m sure if you were born a few years earlier, you’d be singing the praises of indentured servitude and slavers.

The thing about this country and the free market is that nobody is keeping you from building the next Wal-Mart for yourself. If you lack the necessary ambition, work ethic, and skills, that's a you problem, not something the government should remedy for you. Feel free to start your own company, and pay whatever wages you like to your employees. You may be more constrained than you imagine, though, if you'd like to make a profit.

I have no desire to start a company to sell cheap Chinese shit to my fellow citizens. The thing about this country and the “free market” is that this country doesn’t have a true free market economy. You need to take an Econ class beyond Hillsdale’s 101 offering.

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Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

It's only going to get worse. Many people accepted the lower salaries because of the pension and the stability. Trump has destroyed that, so the government will need to pay at least market or perhaps even a premium.

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Anonymous wrote:This to me is a joke. This is not at all what I'm seeing. Contractors handle way more of the work load at my agency than the feds. And I agree with a PP here they're not treated well at all. They are each currently taking the burden of 3-4 fed employees that they already let go. They keep dumping more and more work onto the contractors.

This is what I’ve seen first hand over the last 8 years I’ve been working as a GS. I would not be interested in the grind of being a contractor if I end up leaving or getting let go.

Nice troll post!

Np. I've seen this happen. The feds in these cases weren't lazy, as they oversaw the work, but generally couldn't do the work themselves. Their contributions were often nil, even if they thought it was important.

This badly misunderstands the role. The fed in question is not supposed to be able to do the work, they are supposed to be the legally mandated government oversight. Their role is necessary for compliance and to avoid certain risks.

The government could have hired people able to do the work in-house (which would have been cheaper overall, in part because that oversight role would not be required) but instead hired contractors. So while it's true there were not feds able to do the work, that was by design. If there had been, that would have been duplication.

But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

Eh, there are a lot of different pay scales and hiting authorities, and the contract bidding/supervision process requires a huge number of FTE. You could put all that money and effort into hiring direct within the current system, instead.
But to the extent you're right and it can't be done, that's something Congress could change if waste actually bothered them (we all know it doesn't).

Anonymous wrote:But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.

For some types of work, such as IT or STEM, that is true. Good luck recruiting a Cisco CCIE for what a GS-2210-11 makes.

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Anonymous wrote:This to me is a joke. This is not at all what I'm seeing. Contractors handle way more of the work load at my agency than the feds. And I agree with a PP here they're not treated well at all. They are each currently taking the burden of 3-4 fed employees that they already let go. They keep dumping more and more work onto the contractors.

This is what I’ve seen first hand over the last 8 years I’ve been working as a GS. I would not be interested in the grind of being a contractor if I end up leaving or getting let go.

Nice troll post!

Np. I've seen this happen. The feds in these cases weren't lazy, as they oversaw the work, but generally couldn't do the work themselves. Their contributions were often nil, even if they thought it was important.

This badly misunderstands the role. The fed in question is not supposed to be able to do the work, they are supposed to be the legally mandated government oversight. Their role is necessary for compliance and to avoid certain risks.

The government could have hired people able to do the work in-house (which would have been cheaper overall, in part because that oversight role would not be required) but instead hired contractors. So while it's true there were not feds able to do the work, that was by design. If there had been, that would have been duplication.

But the government generally can't hire people to do the work because the government's hiring process and pay system are messed up.