Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

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Nope. It will benefit white men. Asians got played lol

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions was banned statewide by a bill signed by Youngkin. A new president at UVA can’t change that.

The forces that pushed Ryan out removed a university president by federal pressure for the first time in the history of the United States. Do you think they care and or can’t use the same pressure to impact policy in VA? Wake up

Of course they can, but why did Youngkin sign it in the first place? Honestly, legacy admission coming back would benefit my kids hugely. But if it means having to attend under the leadership of the Cooch, I think we’d pass.

Another clueless poster. The bump was never that big to begin with, and if you’re in state it was practically nothing. “Hugely?” Um, no.

Not hugely as in, “my kid with a 3.0 is getting in.” But hugely, as in, if it came down to my kid vs another in their class, the kid with two parents, a grandparent, and several uncles and cousins as alums would get the nod.

Legacy is parents. That’s it. Nobody gives a shit about uncles and cousins. UVA is full of students whose cousins didn’t get in. Get a grip. You are waaay overestimating how legacy worked at UVA.

Ok, fine. Then if it came down to my kid vs another in their class with equal stats, the one with two alum parents would be favored. Better?

Uh huh. Sure.

Where are you getting the fanciful idea that two kids exist with identical stats except one is a legacy? They don’t.

We have very good friends who were both UVA grads. Their very smart and perfectly well accomplished in state daughter ended up at Oberlin after not even getting waitlisted. They were furious. And it happened all the time. It’s a large state school where many in state applicants have parents who went there. It’s also much more competitive now than when you got in. You yourself probably wouldn’t get in today.

Thanks for your little anecdote. You obviously know more than me and you’ve totally put me in my place.

You’re welcome.

I’m sorry you don’t have the golden ticket to UVA anymore. But as I said you never really did. You’re just misinformed.

Don’t be sorry. As I said, we wouldn’t even want it under these circumstances. Curious though, if it was never a real advantage, then why did they have to officially end it?

Well, for starters it gave a bigger bump to out of state applicants. It essentially considered them as in state applicants for admissions purposes (although not for tuition purposes), which did make a difference.

As for you not wanting it “under these circumstances,” you’re living under a rock if you think that UVA is uniquely affected by the current crazy administration. It isn’t. Every major university is scrambling to stay on the administration’s good side and making changes big and small. They’re just not as public. And sure UVA is losing its excellent president, but he was leaving next year anyway.

So the Virginia legislature outlawed a legacy bump just to penalize out-of-state alums, while keeping the overall ratio of OOS to in-state students unchanged? Sure, ok.

God you people are obtuse. The Virginia legislature didn’t outlaw legacy just at UVA - it was a universal ban aimed at all VA state colleges. So, no, it wasn’t “just” that.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions was banned statewide by a bill signed by Youngkin. A new president at UVA can’t change that.

The forces that pushed Ryan out removed a university president by federal pressure for the first time in the history of the United States. Do you think they care and or can’t use the same pressure to impact policy in VA? Wake up

Of course they can, but why did Youngkin sign it in the first place? Honestly, legacy admission coming back would benefit my kids hugely. But if it means having to attend under the leadership of the Cooch, I think we’d pass.

Another clueless poster. The bump was never that big to begin with, and if you’re in state it was practically nothing. “Hugely?” Um, no.

Not hugely as in, “my kid with a 3.0 is getting in.” But hugely, as in, if it came down to my kid vs another in their class, the kid with two parents, a grandparent, and several uncles and cousins as alums would get the nod.

Legacy is parents. That’s it. Nobody gives a shit about uncles and cousins. UVA is full of students whose cousins didn’t get in. Get a grip. You are waaay overestimating how legacy worked at UVA.

Ok, fine. Then if it came down to my kid vs another in their class with equal stats, the one with two alum parents would be favored. Better?

Uh huh. Sure.

Where are you getting the fanciful idea that two kids exist with identical stats except one is a legacy? They don’t.

We have very good friends who were both UVA grads. Their very smart and perfectly well accomplished in state daughter ended up at Oberlin after not even getting waitlisted. They were furious. And it happened all the time. It’s a large state school where many in state applicants have parents who went there. It’s also much more competitive now than when you got in. You yourself probably wouldn’t get in today.

Thanks for your little anecdote. You obviously know more than me and you’ve totally put me in my place.

You’re welcome.

I’m sorry you don’t have the golden ticket to UVA anymore. But as I said you never really did. You’re just misinformed.

Don’t be sorry. As I said, we wouldn’t even want it under these circumstances. Curious though, if it was never a real advantage, then why did they have to officially end it?

Well, for starters it gave a bigger bump to out of state applicants. It essentially considered them as in state applicants for admissions purposes (although not for tuition purposes), which did make a difference.

As for you not wanting it “under these circumstances,” you’re living under a rock if you think that UVA is uniquely affected by the current crazy administration. It isn’t. Every major university is scrambling to stay on the administration’s good side and making changes big and small. They’re just not as public. And sure UVA is losing its excellent president, but he was leaving next year anyway.

So the Virginia legislature outlawed a legacy bump just to penalize out-of-state alums, while keeping the overall ratio of OOS to in-state students unchanged? Sure, ok.

God you people are obtuse. The Virginia legislature didn’t outlaw legacy just at UVA - it was a universal ban aimed at all VA state colleges. So, no, it wasn’t “just” that.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions was banned statewide by a bill signed by Youngkin. A new president at UVA can’t change that.

The forces that pushed Ryan out removed a university president by federal pressure for the first time in the history of the United States. Do you think they care and or can’t use the same pressure to impact policy in VA? Wake up

Of course they can, but why did Youngkin sign it in the first place? Honestly, legacy admission coming back would benefit my kids hugely. But if it means having to attend under the leadership of the Cooch, I think we’d pass.

Another clueless poster. The bump was never that big to begin with, and if you’re in state it was practically nothing. “Hugely?” Um, no.

Not hugely as in, “my kid with a 3.0 is getting in.” But hugely, as in, if it came down to my kid vs another in their class, the kid with two parents, a grandparent, and several uncles and cousins as alums would get the nod.

Legacy is parents. That’s it. Nobody gives a shit about uncles and cousins. UVA is full of students whose cousins didn’t get in. Get a grip. You are waaay overestimating how legacy worked at UVA.

Ok, fine. Then if it came down to my kid vs another in their class with equal stats, the one with two alum parents would be favored. Better?

Uh huh. Sure.

Where are you getting the fanciful idea that two kids exist with identical stats except one is a legacy? They don’t.

We have very good friends who were both UVA grads. Their very smart and perfectly well accomplished in state daughter ended up at Oberlin after not even getting waitlisted. They were furious. And it happened all the time. It’s a large state school where many in state applicants have parents who went there. It’s also much more competitive now than when you got in. You yourself probably wouldn’t get in today.

Thanks for your little anecdote. You obviously know more than me and you’ve totally put me in my place.

You’re welcome.

I’m sorry you don’t have the golden ticket to UVA anymore. But as I said you never really did. You’re just misinformed.

Don’t be sorry. As I said, we wouldn’t even want it under these circumstances. Curious though, if it was never a real advantage, then why did they have to officially end it?

Well, for starters it gave a bigger bump to out of state applicants. It essentially considered them as in state applicants for admissions purposes (although not for tuition purposes), which did make a difference.

As for you not wanting it “under these circumstances,” you’re living under a rock if you think that UVA is uniquely affected by the current crazy administration. It isn’t. Every major university is scrambling to stay on the administration’s good side and making changes big and small. They’re just not as public. And sure UVA is losing its excellent president, but he was leaving next year anyway.

So the Virginia legislature outlawed a legacy bump just to penalize out-of-state alums, while keeping the overall ratio of OOS to in-state students unchanged? Sure, ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Merit isn’t real. Merit is just laundered white wealthy mostly male privilege.

Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

No, I really don’t. Not when the gatekeepers of what constitutes merit are predominantly well-resourced white people. I believe they will protect their own, whether consciously or not. Implicit bias is absolutely thing.

The point is, how would they know what race the applicants are? Do you really believe race should determine whether you are admitted or not? The color of your skin?

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

No, I really don’t. Not when the gatekeepers of what constitutes merit are predominantly well-resourced white people. I believe they will protect their own, whether consciously or not. Implicit bias is absolutely thing.

The point is, how would they know what race the applicants are? Do you really believe race should determine whether you are admitted or not? The color of your skin?

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

No, I really don’t. Not when the gatekeepers of what constitutes merit are predominantly well-resourced white people. I believe they will protect their own, whether consciously or not. Implicit bias is absolutely thing.

Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer this question:

Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Anonymous wrote:“Wall Street or bust” parent needs to meet people outside of their bubble. Oh wait! Isn’t that one of goals of DEI?