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Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts son the anti-ice protests?

...thoughts *on the anti-ICE protests? (apologies for typo)

I’m not a fan of the protests. The vast majority of the agents “are just doing what they are being ordered to do” and are likely not a fan of it.

You don’t get to hide behind “just following orders”. Sorry. Not sorry.

I don’t necessarily agree with their strategy or tactics, but their mission (rounding up illegal aliens) is legal. At this point, every non-political appointee working in the federal govt “is just following orders.” Therefore, everyone should resign?

There is no obligation to follow illegal or immoral orders.

As far as the arresting of illegal aliens, what actual laws are ICE agents breaking?

Aside from arresting US citizens on extremely dubious claims of “interference?”

The question was specifically about arrests of illegal aliens.

They are not arresting illegal aliens. They are arresting US citizens and elected democratic officials. Rogue agency operating outside of the constitution. Every ICE employee must be arrested and put on trial.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ice-agents-detain-us-citizens-163422426.html

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Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts son the anti-ice protests?

...thoughts *on the anti-ICE protests? (apologies for typo)

I’m not a fan of the protests. The vast majority of the agents “are just doing what they are being ordered to do” and are likely not a fan of it.

You don’t get to hide behind “just following orders”. Sorry. Not sorry.

I don’t necessarily agree with their strategy or tactics, but their mission (rounding up illegal aliens) is legal. At this point, every non-political appointee working in the federal govt “is just following orders.” Therefore, everyone should resign?

There is no obligation to follow illegal or immoral orders.

As far as the arresting of illegal aliens, what actual laws are ICE agents breaking?

Aside from arresting US citizens on extremely dubious claims of “interference?”

The question was specifically about arrests of illegal aliens.

They are not arresting illegal aliens. They are arresting US citizens and elected democratic officials. Rogue agency operating outside of the constitution. Every ICE employee must be arrested and put on trial.

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Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts son the anti-ice protests?

...thoughts *on the anti-ICE protests? (apologies for typo)

I’m not a fan of the protests. The vast majority of the agents “are just doing what they are being ordered to do” and are likely not a fan of it.

You don’t get to hide behind “just following orders”. Sorry. Not sorry.

I don’t necessarily agree with their strategy or tactics, but their mission (rounding up illegal aliens) is legal. At this point, every non-political appointee working in the federal govt “is just following orders.” Therefore, everyone should resign?

There is no obligation to follow illegal or immoral orders.

As far as the arresting of illegal aliens, what actual laws are ICE agents breaking?

Aside from arresting US citizens on extremely dubious claims of “interference?”

The question was specifically about arrests of illegal aliens.

I'm no expert but....I've read that ICE can indeed legally detain U.S. citizens.

Suppose an ICE agent reasonably suspects that a person is a non-citizen subject to deportation and their citizenship cannot be quickly verified (e.g., with a passport, birth certificate). In that case, they may be detained temporarily during the investigation. ICE agents may detain a U.S. citizen if there is a reasonable suspicion they are also a non-citizen subject to deportation and their citizenship status cannot be immediately verified.

OP - can you please chime in?

How might an ICE agent suspect that a person is in the country illegally (not just a non-citizen)? How might they just happen upon someone that fits that and what would be the signs that would cause reasonable suspicion?

I’m not challenging, just wondering.

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Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts son the anti-ice protests?

...thoughts *on the anti-ICE protests? (apologies for typo)

I’m not a fan of the protests. The vast majority of the agents “are just doing what they are being ordered to do” and are likely not a fan of it.

You don’t get to hide behind “just following orders”. Sorry. Not sorry.

I don’t necessarily agree with their strategy or tactics, but their mission (rounding up illegal aliens) is legal. At this point, every non-political appointee working in the federal govt “is just following orders.” Therefore, everyone should resign?

There is no obligation to follow illegal or immoral orders.

As far as the arresting of illegal aliens, what actual laws are ICE agents breaking?

Aside from arresting US citizens on extremely dubious claims of “interference?”

The question was specifically about arrests of illegal aliens.

I'm no expert but....I've read that ICE can indeed legally detain U.S. citizens.

Suppose an ICE agent reasonably suspects that a person is a non-citizen subject to deportation and their citizenship cannot be quickly verified (e.g., with a passport, birth certificate). In that case, they may be detained temporarily during the investigation. ICE agents may detain a U.S. citizen if there is a reasonable suspicion they are also a non-citizen subject to deportation and their citizenship status cannot be immediately verified.

OP - can you please chime in?

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Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts son the anti-ice protests?

...thoughts *on the anti-ICE protests? (apologies for typo)

I’m not a fan of the protests. The vast majority of the agents “are just doing what they are being ordered to do” and are likely not a fan of it.

You don’t get to hide behind “just following orders”. Sorry. Not sorry.

I don’t necessarily agree with their strategy or tactics, but their mission (rounding up illegal aliens) is legal. At this point, every non-political appointee working in the federal govt “is just following orders.” Therefore, everyone should resign?

There is no obligation to follow illegal or immoral orders.

As far as the arresting of illegal aliens, what actual laws are ICE agents breaking?

Aside from arresting US citizens on extremely dubious claims of “interference?”

The question was specifically about arrests of illegal aliens.

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Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts son the anti-ice protests?

...thoughts *on the anti-ICE protests? (apologies for typo)

I’m not a fan of the protests. The vast majority of the agents “are just doing what they are being ordered to do” and are likely not a fan of it.

You don’t get to hide behind “just following orders”. Sorry. Not sorry.

I don’t necessarily agree with their strategy or tactics, but their mission (rounding up illegal aliens) is legal. At this point, every non-political appointee working in the federal govt “is just following orders.” Therefore, everyone should resign?

There is no obligation to follow illegal or immoral orders.

As far as the arresting of illegal aliens, what actual laws are ICE agents breaking?

Aside from arresting US citizens on extremely dubious claims of “interference?”

Anonymous wrote:Why is the media calling the agency ICE when it was renamed HSI due to a bad connotation with the name ICE?

ICE is the congressionally-approved name. HSI was an unofficial branding thing to distinguish between the criminal investigators (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operation agents (who have the primary mission of dealing with illegal aliens). HSI was dragged into this mess.

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Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts son the anti-ice protests?

...thoughts *on the anti-ICE protests? (apologies for typo)

I’m not a fan of the protests. The vast majority of the agents “are just doing what they are being ordered to do” and are likely not a fan of it.

You don’t get to hide behind “just following orders”. Sorry. Not sorry.

I don’t necessarily agree with their strategy or tactics, but their mission (rounding up illegal aliens) is legal. At this point, every non-political appointee working in the federal govt “is just following orders.” Therefore, everyone should resign?

There is no obligation to follow illegal or immoral orders.

As far as the arresting of illegal aliens, what actual laws are ICE agents breaking?

Anonymous wrote:OP, do you think that there should be no people in the U.S. illegally? If you had a way to deport them all with due process and all the other niceties, would you do it?

Again, I’m a rule of law advocate. There is a legal means to immigrate here. So yes, in theory, I am ok with deporting anyone here illegally through the lawful process.

Why is it so hard to revoke a work visa petition? If the visa adjudicator can tell that the job is fraudulent for an H1B visa, why is it almost impossible to refuse the applicant?
The specific knowledge being from the USCIS and other ID systems that adjudicators have at their disposal?

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Anonymous wrote:What on earth would lead you to apply for and/or accept a job with ICE? Were there no other jobs? Were you otherwise unemployable? I just can’t fathom someone’s motivation to join such a despicable group

OP - don't listen to these types of posts.

https://www.ice.gov/careers

Not every ICE employee is on the field picking up illegal immigrants. Take a look at the job openings and educate yourself.

Also...calling ICE a despicable group is a horrible generalization.
It's akin to saying the Police Force are despicable....akin to saying the Priesthood is despicable.

Those making these statements are why Democrats will continue to lose.

Yes, but this is the crowd who believes it is okay to damage a random person's car because they don't like the CEO of the company that manufactured it.

Horrible generalizations and many other cognitive fails are common among those with mental illness.

If the CEO takes a chainsaw to show people how he will cut down their livelihood needlessly and cruelly, then I say the CEO has had his comeuppance. It is the CEO who should be held accountable for criminal acts first.

Why is the media calling the agency ICE when it was renamed HSI due to a bad connotation with the name ICE?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, do you think that there should be no people in the U.S. illegally? If you had a way to deport them all with due process and all the other niceties, would you do it?

Not OP, but are you really asking such a stupid question? You yourself said "in the U.S. illegally".

It's like asking a police officer if they think all rapists, drug dealers (basically anyone who breaks the law) should be arrested and put in jail.

Can't wait to see OP's response.

Oh I was very intentional.
Common sense is lost on so many people today. They think trespassing is ok if you don’t steal or rob. I wouldn’t be surprised if even some ICE agents, past and present, support amnesty of some kind.

Just like Trump now. Trump has given illegals who work in farming and leisure industry sanctuary. He will not go after illegals in red states. Saudi Arabia. This is all just bullsh#t to attack and destroy blue states. How unAmerican and criminal.

Trump will keep wiffle waffling on that.
Letting some illegals stay for now is not amnesty.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, do you think that there should be no people in the U.S. illegally? If you had a way to deport them all with due process and all the other niceties, would you do it?

Not OP, but are you really asking such a stupid question? You yourself said "in the U.S. illegally".

It's like asking a police officer if they think all rapists, drug dealers (basically anyone who breaks the law) should be arrested and put in jail.

Can't wait to see OP's response.

Oh I was very intentional.
Common sense is lost on so many people today. They think trespassing is ok if you don’t steal or rob. I wouldn’t be surprised if even some ICE agents, past and present, support amnesty of some kind.

What we ACTUALLY need is a coherent visa program that lets us legally get the labor we actually need, without undercutting American workers.

Capped at one year, no family allowed in and no path to citizenship.

But what to do with visa overstays?
Bogus asylum seekers? TPS people staying here for decades?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, do you think that there should be no people in the U.S. illegally? If you had a way to deport them all with due process and all the other niceties, would you do it?

Not OP, but are you really asking such a stupid question? You yourself said "in the U.S. illegally".

It's like asking a police officer if they think all rapists, drug dealers (basically anyone who breaks the law) should be arrested and put in jail.

Can't wait to see OP's response.

Oh I was very intentional.
Common sense is lost on so many people today. They think trespassing is ok if you don’t steal or rob. I wouldn’t be surprised if even some ICE agents, past and present, support amnesty of some kind.

Well...to be honest we have so many millions in the US illegally that realistically it would be impossible to actually deport them all....I think there should be amnesty granted...but not a blanket amnesty. Rather, amnesty based on certain criteria (i.e., having lived in the US for 20+ years, having children born in the US, etc.) but at the same time no amnesty for those who committed crimes or are in jail.

Are you the OP?

Also, once you grant the amnesty to anyone, any category, it incentivizes coming over here for for so many more. Yes there are many already and it will take a long time to get them deported (some will die before it’s their turn, sorry for being grim) but with no more people coming illegally or under fake asylum claims or from countries with high rates of visa overstay there is probably an end in sight. Honestly just requiring immigration status checks (not like the ones today, no violence in masks, polite requests for for certain documents), and it will reduce the number of people wiling to be here illegally.