Anonymous
06/05/2025 22:43
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.
I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.
Well, yes, if we changed the standard American diet, many people would not need statins. But people either don't want to or are unable to do so.
We would still need statins because it is much more complex than diet.
When I was a child, most men in my neighborhood had a heart attack by the age of 60. They all had bypasses, with issues afterward and many, if didn't drop dead ftom the first heart attack, they did on the second one. There was, also at that time, lots of grandmothers and great aunts and hardly any grandfathers or grand uncles.
Food plays a role, but it’s about many other factors.
Same in my family. Men just didn’t make it to 60. Even ones with white collar jobs.
Anonymous
06/05/2025 22:39
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.
I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.
Well, yes, if we changed the standard American diet, many people would not need statins. But people either don't want to or are unable to do so.
We would still need statins because it is much more complex than diet.
When I was a child, most men in my neighborhood had a heart attack by the age of 60. They all had bypasses, with issues afterward and many, if didn't drop dead ftom the first heart attack, they did on the second one. There was, also at that time, lots of grandmothers and great aunts and hardly any grandfathers or grand uncles.
Food plays a role, but it’s about many other factors.
This is true. A lot of my friends’ dads died of heart attacks. They seemed old at the time, but many were in their 40s and early 50s.
What’s true? Our food is killing us?
That men used to be a lot more likely to drop dead suddenly. Some of the dads I knew as a kid that this happened to were unhealthy, but not all.
Anonymous
06/05/2025 22:37
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.
Yep. Life expectancy is up since statins were introduced in the 80s. Thank god.
We have the worst heart disease in the world. Why? Pharma profits.
Sedentary lifestyles, streets without sidewalks, roads designed for cars, junk food subsidized at higher rates than healthy food, long work hours combined with long commutes, food deserts, so many things really.
All those can be shrunk down to one thing. It's not knowledge. It's will power.
I'm not blaming sidewalks. Whole foods are available. The whole world does it. No more excuses.
Anonymous
06/04/2025 22:19
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, a pill-poppin society for decades. When you go to a new doctor and the nurse asks, what pills do you take? If you answer ‘none’, she will fall of her chair. It’s so rare.
So what do you all take on this thread?
I'm 50 and I don't take anything. Not even vitamins. I follow my doctor's advice but I don't have anything prescribed.
50 is really young. You shouldn’t be taking anything at that age.
Agreed. But a lot of people you than me are on statins and BP medication.
I’m 54 and I’m on a GLP. A thyroid med. HRT (estrogen and progesterone pills). An anti depressant. And reflux meds (3 types but I only take 1 now). I also have a prescription for nausea I use occasionally, one for anxiety (as needed), prescription nasal spray (as needed) and vitamin D prescription.
Anonymous
06/04/2025 17:47
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:I used to be anti-meds. I internally judged women who “quickly” turned to anti anxiety, anti depression meds. This was part of my upbringing, my parents are still disdainful of medication.
As an adult I was diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed meds, they were life changing. I could better focus and it reduced my overall anxiety because my brain doesn’t rush constantly.
Now I understand. And I feel bad for the judgment (I never told anyone, but I still feel bad). It’s not wrong to need these meds. The human body is flawed (how many of us wear glasses/contacts? How many of us have had an appendix removed? Needed a hysterectomy?). It’s silly to think that we shouldn’t need any thing to fix the problem in our brains but we can fix the problem in our bodies…
I’m not getting the sense that PPs are anti-meds. At all. Merely questioning whether doctors are quick to prescribe. However, I’ve not been prescribed anything so that has not been my experience.
Anonymous
06/04/2025 17:31
Subject: Overmedication Nation
I used to be anti-meds. I internally judged women who “quickly” turned to anti anxiety, anti depression meds. This was part of my upbringing, my parents are still disdainful of medication.
As an adult I was diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed meds, they were life changing. I could better focus and it reduced my overall anxiety because my brain doesn’t rush constantly.
Now I understand. And I feel bad for the judgment (I never told anyone, but I still feel bad). It’s not wrong to need these meds. The human body is flawed (how many of us wear glasses/contacts? How many of us have had an appendix removed? Needed a hysterectomy?). It’s silly to think that we shouldn’t need any thing to fix the problem in our brains but we can fix the problem in our bodies…
As an adult I was diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed meds, they were life changing. I could better focus and it reduced my overall anxiety because my brain doesn’t rush constantly.
Now I understand. And I feel bad for the judgment (I never told anyone, but I still feel bad). It’s not wrong to need these meds. The human body is flawed (how many of us wear glasses/contacts? How many of us have had an appendix removed? Needed a hysterectomy?). It’s silly to think that we shouldn’t need any thing to fix the problem in our brains but we can fix the problem in our bodies…
Anonymous
06/04/2025 17:13
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Yes. How often do any of you go to the doctor and not leave with a prescription or a referral to a specialist who then writes you a prescription?
Every time. Do and I are in our late 50s and are not on any medication. My 84 year old mother only has eye drops.
Anonymous
06/04/2025 17:10
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I love medicine and I’m grateful we have it.
This conversation isn't about whether people love medicine. I love medicine. It's whether certain medications in the US are overprescribed in general. We aren't exactly healthier in the US. While medications on an individual level are very helpful, it's not crazy to wonder if there might be an additional route - in addition to the medications - that might improve our outcomes.
Millions of Americans don’t have health insurance and don’t get inadequate preventable health care. Start there.
And we eat more processed food than other countries.
And we work more hours a week than most countries and take fewer vacations.
And we value profits over people. So god forbid we make changes that might reduce someone’s investment portfolio or a corporate bottom line.
It’s not a mystery. At all.
I’m glad you got it all figured out.
Anonymous
06/04/2025 16:57
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I love medicine and I’m grateful we have it.
This conversation isn't about whether people love medicine. I love medicine. It's whether certain medications in the US are overprescribed in general. We aren't exactly healthier in the US. While medications on an individual level are very helpful, it's not crazy to wonder if there might be an additional route - in addition to the medications - that might improve our outcomes.
Millions of Americans don’t have health insurance and don’t get inadequate preventable health care. Start there.
And we eat more processed food than other countries.
And we work more hours a week than most countries and take fewer vacations.
And we value profits over people. So god forbid we make changes that might reduce someone’s investment portfolio or a corporate bottom line.
It’s not a mystery. At all.
Anonymous
06/04/2025 16:46
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.
I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.
Well, yes, if we changed the standard American diet, many people would not need statins. But people either don't want to or are unable to do so.
We would still need statins because it is much more complex than diet.
When I was a child, most men in my neighborhood had a heart attack by the age of 60. They all had bypasses, with issues afterward and many, if didn't drop dead ftom the first heart attack, they did on the second one. There was, also at that time, lots of grandmothers and great aunts and hardly any grandfathers or grand uncles.
Food plays a role, but it’s about many other factors.
This is true. A lot of my friends’ dads died of heart attacks. They seemed old at the time, but many were in their 40s and early 50s.
What’s true? Our food is killing us?
Anonymous
06/04/2025 05:34
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, a pill-poppin society for decades. When you go to a new doctor and the nurse asks, what pills do you take? If you answer ‘none’, she will fall of her chair. It’s so rare.
So what do you all take on this thread?
I'm 50 and I don't take anything. Not even vitamins. I follow my doctor's advice but I don't have anything prescribed.
50 is really young. You shouldn’t be taking anything at that age.
I wasn’t at 50. But then, not so long after that…
Life comes at you fast, even when you eat your veggies.
My mother was almost 72 before she took any daily medication or supplements. She is active (still works) but not an exerciser, didn't eat junk food but neither ate DCUM "clean." Could have afforded to lose 20 pounds but never weighed herself and didn't bother with a doctor.
Just shy of her 72nd birthday, she was hit all at once with some weird symptoms, saw a doctor, then a specialist, and found she has a late showing autoimmune disease. She now has to to take three medications daily. It has been an adjustment for her.
Sometimes, it is just luck of the genetic draw.
Anonymous
06/03/2025 23:44
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.
I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.
Well, yes, if we changed the standard American diet, many people would not need statins. But people either don't want to or are unable to do so.
We would still need statins because it is much more complex than diet.
When I was a child, most men in my neighborhood had a heart attack by the age of 60. They all had bypasses, with issues afterward and many, if didn't drop dead ftom the first heart attack, they did on the second one. There was, also at that time, lots of grandmothers and great aunts and hardly any grandfathers or grand uncles.
Food plays a role, but it’s about many other factors.
This is true. A lot of my friends’ dads died of heart attacks. They seemed old at the time, but many were in their 40s and early 50s.
Anonymous
06/03/2025 23:39
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, a pill-poppin society for decades. When you go to a new doctor and the nurse asks, what pills do you take? If you answer ‘none’, she will fall of her chair. It’s so rare.
So what do you all take on this thread?
I'm 50 and I don't take anything. Not even vitamins. I follow my doctor's advice but I don't have anything prescribed.
50 is really young. You shouldn’t be taking anything at that age.
I wasn’t at 50. But then, not so long after that…
Life comes at you fast, even when you eat your veggies.
Anonymous
06/03/2025 15:40
Subject: Overmedication Nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.
I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.
Well, yes, if we changed the standard American diet, many people would not need statins. But people either don't want to or are unable to do so.
We would still need statins because it is much more complex than diet.
When I was a child, most men in my neighborhood had a heart attack by the age of 60. They all had bypasses, with issues afterward and many, if didn't drop dead ftom the first heart attack, they did on the second one. There was, also at that time, lots of grandmothers and great aunts and hardly any grandfathers or grand uncles.
Food plays a role, but it’s about many other factors.
Anonymous
06/03/2025 13:21
Subject: Overmedication Nation
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Often it can be genetic and obviously you need the medications.
But, do you think this is the case with everyone? Or, does it not matter and everyone should go on them regardless?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what's wrong with statins. In my experience anyone who is ranting about statins is an uninformed dotard or some "big pharma" conspiracy theorist.
I’m the PP who mentioned statins. There is nothing wrong with them if you really need them. It seems like a lot of people need them though. So, I wonder if there is a way to not need them.
Well, yes, if we changed the standard American diet, many people would not need statins. But people either don't want to or are unable to do so.
I changed my diet. Didn’t help with any of the health issues. Must be nice not to have any real health concerns.
Often it can be genetic and obviously you need the medications.
But, do you think this is the case with everyone? Or, does it not matter and everyone should go on them regardless?