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Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

There is a middle ground between tiny car and monstrous truck. I’ve traveled to many ski towns and there are absolutely normal cars that make it around the mountain, you just need the right tires and AWD.

Driving on the beach is trashy. I grew up in FL and hate visiting any beach that allows cars. Not everything needs to be built for cars instead of humans. Also how much crap does your kid have if you need a large car to drive their stuff home? I always managed just fine with a sedan, but I’m not a hoarder that lugs around a ton of crap. And for the rest of that stuff you can absolutely tow them with a normal size SUV.

All of this is just made up excuses as to why you need some overly large car that takes up more than your share of resources.

Also ATVs are stupid. I know 2 young people who died on them and these were people who rode often and knew what they were doing.

Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

Alot of that can be done with a little car if you install a trailer hitch, My little 4 cylinder will easily tow up to 1000lbs.

Wow, you can tow a whole thousand pounds, huh?

Maybe - maybe - if we cut a hind leg off of our smallest horse, we might get her weight down to a thousand pounds.


Your comment perfectly illustrates how most of you here don’t have the slightest understanding of why trucks are designed the way they are.

You aren’t equipped for this discussion.

Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how the complainers in this thread aren’t asking why SUVs suddenly proliferated and why station wagons disappeared and why we don’t have lots of smaller hauling options like the rest of the world. Gee, I wonder why all the most commonly available options are on enormous truck wheelbases. If only there was someway to find out.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

Alot of that can be done with a little car if you install a trailer hitch, My little 4 cylinder will easily tow up to 1000lbs.

Wow, you can tow a whole thousand pounds, huh?

Maybe - maybe - if we cut a hind leg off of our smallest horse, we might get her weight down to a thousand pounds.


Your comment perfectly illustrates how most of you here don’t have the slightest understanding of why trucks are designed the way they are.

You aren’t equipped for this discussion.

I said a car could do alot of those things not all of them and i fully understand that a small car does have its limits, I understand that some people need a truck for some things and i own one my self but i don't drive it unless i need to tow more than my car can handle.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

Alot of that can be done with a little car if you install a trailer hitch, My little 4 cylinder will easily tow up to 1000lbs.

Wow, you can tow a whole thousand pounds, huh?

Maybe - maybe - if we cut a hind leg off of our smallest horse, we might get her weight down to a thousand pounds.


Your comment perfectly illustrates how most of you here don’t have the slightest understanding of why trucks are designed the way they are.

You aren’t equipped for this discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! I am surprised at how narrow minded city people are! We have a truck for towing our horses, hauling round bales and other stuff. For city people, yes our truck will be spotless when you encounter it. They are too expensive to trash.

The dems in Congress made trucks and SUVs a great write off to gain UAW support! Section 179 is just a regular tax law! None of the city folks on here own a business!

99.9% of suburbanites aren't hauling haybales nor are towing livestock. 99.9% of people are driving these dumbass vehicles to go to Costco, Home Goods, Target, Starbucks and the local McDonald's. Because a story exists that's probably 2-3 standard deviations from the norm doesn't really add much to the overall point that most of America lives in the city and burbs and are driving all of these stupidly sized cars that are completely unnecessary and are killing too many people. And all to line the pockets of automakers. Somehow 3 billion people from Europe to Asia are capable of having families, sports practices and haul around stuff, yet don't need stupidly sized vehicles to survive.

I guess no tradesmen or sportsmen live in the suburbs anymore.

I guess no trades people live in Europe all the way to Japan. Oh wait, that's right, they do, and almost none of them use these stupidly sized trucks. In fact, they often drive vans.

Back to what is offered in America. Only two small pickups - the Maverick and Santa Cruz, which are both great but don’t safely fit everyone’s work or lifestyle needs.

A couple of my Latino sub contractors drive F 250 Platinums. Latinos like nice trucks when they start making real money!

Europe and Japan have different offerings. Plenty of Americans choose vans but they are not any smaller than the trucks you’re so offended by, are LESS safe and they don’t allow cross-use, like serving as a family vehicle.

Why don’t you just say you hate tradesmen… that theyre beneath you - stop explaining to others how they should manage their lives.

False and stupid.

Smart tradesmen would use a van, like this American made vehicle:

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/e-transit/?gnav=header-trucks-vhp

https://www.chevrolet.com/commercial/express

So many trades people use vehicles like that all over Europe to Asia, because they have far more storage and hauling space than these stupidly sized trucks. You're just regurgitating all of the auto industry propaganda. Besides, the vast, vaaaaast majority of these these stupid trucks and SUVs are bought and driven by suburban Chad morons who think they need 400 hp to go to Costco. Completely laughable.

Billions of people on the planet, which include ranchers to trades people to urban dwellers, are somehow capable of surviving and doing their work without these dumb vehicles. I blows a hole in your argument that somehow these gargantuan vehicles are "needed".

They are monstrousities they are the product of a bunch of car industry brain washing of the public and a whole bunch of lobbying effort. They are killing way too many Americans, tearing up our roads and infrastructure, and are consuming way too much energy. It's dimwittedness on wheels.

Latin American derived workers drive vans, or trucks actually full of debris. European derived owners (and non traders, like the horse girl) drive pavement prince trucks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

Alot of that can be done with a little car if you install a trailer hitch, My little 4 cylinder will easily tow up to 1000lbs.

Wow, you can tow a whole thousand pounds, huh?

Maybe - maybe - if we cut a hind leg off of our smallest horse, we might get her weight down to a thousand pounds.


Your comment perfectly illustrates how most of you here don’t have the slightest understanding of why trucks are designed the way they are.

You aren’t equipped for this discussion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow! I am surprised at how narrow minded city people are! We have a truck for towing our horses, hauling round bales and other stuff. For city people, yes our truck will be spotless when you encounter it. They are too expensive to trash.

The dems in Congress made trucks and SUVs a great write off to gain UAW support! Section 179 is just a regular tax law! None of the city folks on here own a business!

99.9% of suburbanites aren't hauling haybales nor are towing livestock. 99.9% of people are driving these dumbass vehicles to go to Costco, Home Goods, Target, Starbucks and the local McDonald's. Because a story exists that's probably 2-3 standard deviations from the norm doesn't really add much to the overall point that most of America lives in the city and burbs and are driving all of these stupidly sized cars that are completely unnecessary and are killing too many people. And all to line the pockets of automakers. Somehow 3 billion people from Europe to Asia are capable of having families, sports practices and haul around stuff, yet don't need stupidly sized vehicles to survive.

I guess no tradesmen or sportsmen live in the suburbs anymore.

I guess no trades people live in Europe all the way to Japan. Oh wait, that's right, they do, and almost none of them use these stupidly sized trucks. In fact, they often drive vans.

Back to what is offered in America. Only two small pickups - the Maverick and Santa Cruz, which are both great but don’t safely fit everyone’s work or lifestyle needs.

Europe and Japan have different offerings. Plenty of Americans choose vans but they are not any smaller than the trucks you’re so offended by, are LESS safe and they don’t allow cross-use, like serving as a family vehicle.

Why don’t you just say you hate tradesmen… that theyre beneath you - stop explaining to others how they should manage their lives.

False and stupid.

Smart tradesmen would use a van, like this American made vehicle:

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/e-transit/?gnav=header-trucks-vhp

https://www.chevrolet.com/commercial/express

So many trades people use vehicles like that all over Europe to Asia, because they have far more storage and hauling space than these stupidly sized trucks. You're just regurgitating all of the auto industry propaganda. Besides, the vast, vaaaaast majority of these these stupid trucks and SUVs are bought and driven by suburban Chad morons who think they need 400 hp to go to Costco. Completely laughable.

Billions of people on the planet, which include ranchers to trades people to urban dwellers, are somehow capable of surviving and doing their work without these dumb vehicles. I blows a hole in your argument that somehow these gargantuan vehicles are "needed".

They are monstrousities they are the product of a bunch of car industry brain washing of the public and a whole bunch of lobbying effort. They are killing way too many Americans, tearing up our roads and infrastructure, and are consuming way too much energy. It's dimwittedness on wheels.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

Alot of that can be done with a little car if you install a trailer hitch, My little 4 cylinder will easily tow up to 1000lbs.

Wow, you can tow a whole thousand pounds, huh?

Maybe - maybe - if we cut a hind leg off of our smallest horse, we might get her weight down to a thousand pounds.


Your comment perfectly illustrates how most of you here don’t have the slightest understanding of why trucks are designed the way they are.

You aren’t equipped for this discussion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality to most truck buyers is they are like a Swiss Army knife. Can a little car make it to Snowshoe in a snowstorm as safe as a truck? No. Can you take a little car on the beach in Delaware? OBX? Long Island? No. Can you pick up a daughter from Collage and bring all her stuff home with a little car? No. Can you tow a boat for family days on a lake or river with a little car? No. Can you tow ATVs or side by sides for a fun day in the mountains in a little car? No. Can you tow a camper with a tiny car? No. Can a Fireman make it to work or home in a snowstorm in a tiny car? No. How about Police? Doctors? Tell us how a tiny car is so useful??

Alot of that can be done with a little car if you install a trailer hitch, My little 4 cylinder will easily tow up to 1000lbs.

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Anonymous wrote:Every Farrier I've met from Europe owns a Full size American truck! Have never seen one with a van from Europe. Why???

Yes, because in America, 99.99999999999% of massive trucks are owned by farriers. Yet another worthless talking point trying to justify these dumb trucks because some example 4 standard deviations from the average loser who drives trucks to Starbucks is a great justification for have millions of these on the roads.

That's like saying you know a guy who saved his family from a robber using a bazooka, so let's all have bazookas available to the civilian public at large so that they can protect themselves from bad guys.

The point is. Your little car is not good for much of anything. Folks from Europe buy American trucks. Why? Because they are the best tool for the job in America.

Completely laughable. Nearly all trades people in Europe use compact vans, because a) the roads are far narrower, b) they're 100x easier to park, and c) then get far better gas mileage.