Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:59     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?


Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?


I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.


What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.


Let’s put it this way— does the taxpayer really need to subsidize a $4k 17th century poetry elective that will amount to good cocktail conversation. And I say this as someone with a liberal arts degree. If sone of us support DOGE cuts to critical services and scientific research, then why pay for certain degrees.

You’re right, 4 year colleges are now being treated as vocational schools for white collar jobs. But it becomes a pretzel twist once you start attaching dollars to each class. I know someone who paid a couple
Thousand dollars for badminton and aerobics electives in college. Why not just go to the local county rec center and take the same class for $50. Should taxpayers subsidize the need for or desire to rake a $1200 badminton elective at a private college?


My point was to bring forward that we’ve moved to a vocational school mentality when it comes to college. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. I have an engineering degree. What I think may need to happen is a) recognize that, b) recognize the value of white AND blue collar types of vocations, and c) prioritize vocational schooling over traditional college education (also valuable but in a different way). I will also add that some parents (a la the Hollywood types) who want college simply for teaching young people to adult and don’t care about any academics because they failed along with SK iety to do that any more.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:57     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?


Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?


They don't. Education in the US can be very affordable. Schools have learned to cater to the type of student that's willing to take on a lot of debt to pay for amenities and have a great time.

“Amenities” and “a great time.” Wow, another MAGA simpleton.


Many of the loans are for students who went to for-profit universities (many MAGA-founded) that don't prepare people for a job, don't support students in getting to graduation. Lots of people working retail etc who have loans from unfinished degrees. Perhaps they should have done more research and known better. But, it was not just a bunch of people who want to go to 4-year traditional non-profit colleges and party. Jeez.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:52     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:Over half the posts in this thread are right wing bots.

loan forgiveness is not popular, except for those who have loans, unsurprisingly.

Support was far weaker among respondents without student loans: Half supported $10,000 of relief, and just 37% supported full debt cancellation.


https://www.npr.org/2022/06/17/1104920545/poll-student-loan-forgiveness
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:45     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:The issue is a bit of a political loser for the democratic party. If I were poor or lower middle class, non-college educated, and I saw politicians discharging a bunch of debt for people who really should've had every opportunity to succeed financially it'd piss me off. And conservatives sure as hell aren't going to go for it. WHo is the audience you all are intending to persuade, that canceling student loan debt is a good idea, actually? Other people with student debt? Rich people?

progressives, and those who have student loans.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:43     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Over half the posts in this thread are right wing bots.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:43     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?


Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?


I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.


What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.

dp. if you put it that way.. yes. At least people can find good paying jobs in vocational trade, and pay back their loans.

Your "college is not a vocational school" rant is tiresome, grandma/grandpa.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:42     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Flat out loan forgiveness is a bad idea. It’s significantly better than bailing out corrupt Wall Street douch bags who turn around and give their ceos millions in bonuses but I think it’s a non starter. Finding a reasonable way to make repayment feasible is much more appealing. Fixed, non compounding interest would be a start but blanket write off is never going to get much support.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:41     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?


It’s completely cruel and unfair to do this to people! Can’t you see that ?!?

? It's cruel and unfair to expect people to payback loans? WTF?

If someone borrowed $10K from you, you would be cruel and unfair to expect them to pay it back. Right?
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:30     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?


Ask the bankrupt scammer president.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:30     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t bad enough, Trump wants to garnish our wages when he should be forgiving our loans. Sigh https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna204494


Evil as hell. Trump is ushering in a austere society of debt slave serfs at the bottom, while the people around him at the top live like kings off usury and government handouts.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:20     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:Finding out you were stupid and paying the price of stupidity is an important part of the college education experience

If you don't say then the lesson doesn't stick


^^ pay
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:20     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Finding out you were stupid and paying the price of stupidity is an important part of the college education experience

If you don't say then the lesson doesn't stick
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 14:05     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?


Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?


I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.


What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.


Let’s put it this way— does the taxpayer really need to subsidize a $4k 17th century poetry elective that will amount to good cocktail conversation. And I say this as someone with a liberal arts degree. If sone of us support DOGE cuts to critical services and scientific research, then why pay for certain degrees.

You’re right, 4 year colleges are now being treated as vocational schools for white collar jobs. But it becomes a pretzel twist once you start attaching dollars to each class. I know someone who paid a couple
Thousand dollars for badminton and aerobics electives in college. Why not just go to the local county rec center and take the same class for $50. Should taxpayers subsidize the need for or desire to rake a $1200 badminton elective at a private college?
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 13:55     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?


Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?


I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.


You're never going to get more doctors or nurses because the number of slots to educate them is purposely throttled to prevent over-supply. Their trade organizations want shortages of doctors and nurses!

This is the reason why some American students go to study medicine in the Caribbean and why we import doctors and nurses from Eastern Europe, Africa, and the Philippines.

Further, residency positions are funded by the federal government and have long lagged the rate of population growth since the 1980s.



That’s a problem that should be addressed by our amazing congressional leadership then.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2025 13:52     Subject: Student loan collections start tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should he be forgiving loans?


Why should people have to take out massive loans just to get an education in the first place?


I disagree with Trump on more or less everything, but shouldn’t that all depend on what students decide to study? I’ll gladly subsidize more doctors or teachers in rural communities no one wants to work in, but not let’s say, a $60k per year degree in underwater basketweaving from a private college.


What you’re really saying is that you’re willing to subsidize a vocational education (engineering, doctors, nurses, teachers) not traditional college/university education (philosophy, English literature, etc) which is meant to expand the mind. It seems more and more people treat college/universities as vocational schools for white collar jobs. It is a wonder that students are allowed electives.