Anonymous
05/04/2025 20:38
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
So you think only vaccine experts who have … never developed a vaccine … should be listened to? Plus I think Offit understands better than most the issues with vaccines since the first Rotavirus vax was pulled due to serious side effects.
lol solid shot trying to make this sound stupid, but yeah, I think that if you have a reputational and perhaps financial stake in a proposition being wrong, you're not the ideal neutral arbiter of whether it's right
Anonymous
05/04/2025 20:35
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
So you think only vaccine experts who have … never developed a vaccine … should be listened to? Plus I think Offit understands better than most the issues with vaccines since the first Rotavirus vax was pulled due to serious side effects.
Anonymous
05/04/2025 20:30
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
Distraction. Point is that RFK has falsely stated that existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
Well, if you think he's wrong, then surely you'll be onboard with his proposed regulatory reform-- after all, he's falsely saying it's not already the law!
He's going to DOGE it -- use something as an excuse to get through a real agenda which, although obvious, is never acknowledged.
Face it, if he REALLY was concerned about making sure things were thoroughly tested, he'd know that placebos were already used, and he'd want the vitamins and other bulls--t he's pushing to be tested, too. but, no.
Just like if DOGE was REALLY on about efficiency, they wouldn't be firing people indiscriminately or claiming bulls--t savings that have more holes in the numbers than cheesecloth.
Anonymous
05/04/2025 20:18
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When I was a part of the Pfizer covid trial, there was a placebo group. Which confused me at the time since I thought, isn't the general population the placebo group?? Mostly I was annoyed that I might not actually be protected and had to wait to find out.
I was also pregnant at the time and badly wanted protection for my unborn as well. All turned out well, but I was under the impression that new drugs already have a placebo group either designated or via the population.
Had it not been for RFK there would not have been a placebo group. As deeply flawed as it was. Baby steps…
Why do you think this? He was not in any position of power then.
Anonymous
05/04/2025 20:06
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
Distraction. Point is that RFK has falsely stated that existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
Well, if you think he's wrong, then surely you'll be onboard with his proposed regulatory reform-- after all, he's falsely saying it's not already the law!
Why can't he just keep his worm brain hands off of this vaccine issue? We managed to eradicate measles from the United States in the year 2000 and if he could just stay the hell out of the way we could get back to that and keep it that way.
Anonymous
05/04/2025 19:57
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
Distraction. Point is that RFK has falsely stated that existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
Well, if you think he's wrong, then surely you'll be onboard with his proposed regulatory reform-- after all, he's falsely saying it's not already the law!
Anonymous
05/04/2025 15:43
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
Distraction. Point is that RFK has falsely stated that existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
Anonymous
05/04/2025 15:30
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
So you must be so angry at the MAHA approach at the EPA where industry insiders influence policy to deregulate oversight allow chemicals that damage our health, right?
..... Right???
I swear there's a DCUM bot that just auto posts "so you must be.... Right?" on "citation?" on thing that are impliedly skeptical of coastal elite othodoxy
Drink those PFAs buddy. Slurp.
Anonymous
05/04/2025 14:13
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
So you must be so angry at the MAHA approach at the EPA where industry insiders influence policy to deregulate oversight allow chemicals that damage our health, right?
..... Right???
I swear there's a DCUM bot that just auto posts "so you must be.... Right?" on "citation?" on thing that are impliedly skeptical of coastal elite othodoxy
Anonymous
05/04/2025 13:56
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Europe requires double blind placebo controlled clinical trials. Aren't you all trying to move to Europe? I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're going to encounter the same regulations there.
People are going to figure out how to get vaccinations to protect their families from measles, from the flu and from other infectious diseases. Will it be as robust as the herd immunity we have managed to achieve? Absolutely not. We voted to throw that away.
But people will do what they need to do to protect their families. They always have and they always will.
People sought out and pursued the first inoculations.... The vaccines did not come to them.
What does this have to do with what I said?
People with some resources are going to go where they need to go and get what they need to get. It's always been that way.
Anonymous
05/04/2025 12:46
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
So you must be so angry at the MAHA approach at the EPA where industry insiders influence policy to deregulate oversight allow chemicals that damage our health, right?
..... Right???
Anonymous
05/04/2025 11:13
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to find out that vaccines weren't double blind with placebos.
Most vaccines go through placebo testing already. Usually happens in Phase III for new vax. Something already cleared say chicken pox, new versions do not need to go through a placebo testing phase because they use the data from the first trial. Just more expense nothing new here.
He wants placebo trials for everything, including vaccines we already know are effective, because he has no science education!
Vaccine expert Paul Offit from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has a great post on placebo testing. Worth noting that RFK twists his meaning of placebo when he states existing vaccines have not been tested against placebo.
https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-casual-cruelty-of-placebo-controlled
The fact that Paul Offit is routinely held out as a neutral expert on pediatric vaccines is perhaps one of the greatest acts of journalistic malpractice I am aware of. He helped develop I believe the rotovirus vaccine. While I assume at this point he doesn't have an ongoing, direct financial stake in the vaccine's continued availability, I would think, just as an obvious matter of human psychology, that, if there were a serious safety issue, he'd have every reason in the world to doubt it and hope it's wrong.
(I get that this link is to a substack, but keep an ear out for his name-- he's on the media circuit a lot.)
Anonymous
05/04/2025 10:52
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Europe requires double blind placebo controlled clinical trials. Aren't you all trying to move to Europe? I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're going to encounter the same regulations there.
People are going to figure out how to get vaccinations to protect their families from measles, from the flu and from other infectious diseases. Will it be as robust as the herd immunity we have managed to achieve? Absolutely not. We voted to throw that away.
But people will do what they need to do to protect their families. They always have and they always will.
People sought out and pursued the first inoculations.... The vaccines did not come to them.
What does this have to do with what I said?
Anonymous
05/04/2025 09:53
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
RFK should just focus on banning synthetic food dyes and leave the rest alone!
Anonymous
05/04/2025 09:53
Subject: RFK will require placebo controlled trials for vaccines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Europe requires double blind placebo controlled clinical trials. Aren't you all trying to move to Europe? I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're going to encounter the same regulations there.
People are going to figure out how to get vaccinations to protect their families from measles, from the flu and from other infectious diseases. Will it be as robust as the herd immunity we have managed to achieve? Absolutely not. We voted to throw that away.
But people will do what they need to do to protect their families. They always have and they always will.
People sought out and pursued the first inoculations.... The vaccines did not come to them.
Unfortunately, the lower the rates go, it is young infants who are most at risk. I don't have to worry because I have older kids but folks who gave newborns in the newe future.... Higher risk than it used to be and for a party who wants to increase women wanting to have babies? Haha no thanks.