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Anonymous wrote:Reading is all it takes to know it would be this bad.

This....I can't believe when people say they are surprised at what he is doing. It was all there and we all watched J6.

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Anonymous wrote:I continue to be confused by all the people who didn't see this coming from a mile away. Nothing he's done has been a surprise. If people are surprised, I can only assume they weren't paying attention. Trump was terrible during his first term, but at least he had to consider being re-elected and he also started his term with a fairly competent (albeit not who I would choose) cabinet. This time around all the competent people have left the building and we're left with a terrible person being advised by other terrible people.

Oh, FFS, get serious!

It is completely defensible and understandable that tens of millions of Americans didn’t believe that the entire facade of “ironclad” constitutional protections and institutions of government that we were all apparently brainwashed to believe in would crumble into dust like this!

This brainwashing was used to assure us that our law enforcement and justice systems were fair, objective, and just. It was used to cultivate xenophobia and a sadly false sense of American Exceptionalism. And it was used to convince us that what’s happening right now could NEVER possibly happen.

So no … those surprised or shocked or whatever are not idiots. They just believed the lies we were all sold.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump won because of the deep intense anger Americans have toward their govt and lifestyles.

Trump won as a result of our societal dysfunction. We elected this nut job because so many of us became nut jobs.

It's political but also cultural. The reason it's going from bad to worse and will continue faltering is because society is rotting from inside out. We weren't strong to begin with or we wouldn't be in this situation. What country elects a felon?!!!? Unless it's a messed up country!!

When the other side is led by someone who advocated for giving prisoners sex changes and putting men in women’s prisons this is what you get.

If Dems had a socially moderate, pro Union / economically center-left to Bernie’s economics left candidate they would have won in a landslide. But they ran a haughty California wine mom with woke social views to beat a fascist. Next time treat a threat like a threat and try to win elections instead of virtue signaling.

MAGA are very bad novelists. This is better than some, but if you’re into spinning fiction, can’t you just amp it up a bit, give us a juicier bone?!?!

DP. How dumb must you be to still be on that "it's all a lie" gaslighting Democrat trip? Look at the election results. It ain't working anymore!

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't vote for Trump. I voted for Harris, I even took a few weekends to bike around exurban Pennsylvania to knock on doors for Harris. I had a brief surge of enthusiasm for Harris mainly because she wasn't Biden.

That said, this time around when Trump won, my reaction was... "meh, whatever, we'll get through it." Not the outrage like I had in 2016. A part of me felt like the Democrats kind of deserved to lose, the DNC has been so cringe and awful in recent years, and though I personally lean left, I felt like the Dems had overreached on a bunch of woke stuff that most Americans don't care about. That, and a bunch of people I know who are immigrants and people of color had soured on the Democrats and had become Trump-curious for a variety of reasons, and I didn't want to be one of those whiny white liberals who thought she knew better than anyone else. On top of it all, Trump 1 wasn't as horrific as I thought he would be, he was mostly embarrassing and clownish, but the economy hummed along. His foreign policy was dumb but didn't cause outright disasters just yet. All in all, 2017-2019 weren't terrible years for the average American. So I didn't join any marches or protests or sew any pink hats or rant on social media. I figured, well, he's pushing 80, he's kind of nuts and also just lazy, maybe he'll spend his whole term just golfing and tweeting and nothing will happen.

I had no idea how wrong I would be. How horrible things would get and so quickly. It's so much worse than anyone ever expected. I am truly afraid. Everyone is worried for their lives and livelihoods. Everything is bad, everything is a mess, it's so obviously an authoritarian oligarchy and it is no longer crying wolf. It's absolutely unbelievable. I thought American democratic institutions were strong enough to withstand a madman and his cult, but apparently not.

The constitution is literally a piece. Of paper. We imbue it with meaning.

^^
Another reason people don’t trust Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump won because of the deep intense anger Americans have toward their govt and lifestyles.

Trump won as a result of our societal dysfunction. We elected this nut job because so many of us became nut jobs.

It's political but also cultural. The reason it's going from bad to worse and will continue faltering is because society is rotting from inside out. We weren't strong to begin with or we wouldn't be in this situation. What country elects a felon?!!!? Unless it's a messed up country!!

When the other side is led by someone who advocated for giving prisoners sex changes and putting men in women’s prisons this is what you get.

If Dems had a socially moderate, pro Union / economically center-left to Bernie’s economics left candidate they would have won in a landslide. But they ran a haughty California wine mom with woke social views to beat a fascist. Next time treat a threat like a threat and try to win elections instead of virtue signaling.

MAGA are very bad novelists. This is better than some, but if you’re into spinning fiction, can’t you just amp it up a bit, give us a juicier bone?!?!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump won because of the deep intense anger Americans have toward their govt and lifestyles.

Trump won as a result of our societal dysfunction. We elected this nut job because so many of us became nut jobs.

It's political but also cultural. The reason it's going from bad to worse and will continue faltering is because society is rotting from inside out. We weren't strong to begin with or we wouldn't be in this situation. What country elects a felon?!!!? Unless it's a messed up country!!

When the other side is led by someone who advocated for giving prisoners sex changes and putting men in women’s prisons this is what you get.

If Dems had a socially moderate, pro Union / economically center-left to Bernie’s economics left candidate they would have won in a landslide. But they ran a haughty California wine mom with woke social views to beat a fascist. Next time treat a threat like a threat and try to win elections instead of virtue signaling.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump won because of the deep intense anger Americans have toward their govt and lifestyles.

Trump won as a result of our societal dysfunction. We elected this nut job because so many of us became nut jobs.

It's political but also cultural. The reason it's going from bad to worse and will continue faltering is because society is rotting from inside out. We weren't strong to begin with or we wouldn't be in this situation. What country elects a felon?!!!? Unless it's a messed up country!!

When the other side is led by someone who advocated for giving prisoners sex changes and putting men in women’s prisons this is what you get.

If Dems had a socially moderate, pro Union / economically center-left to Bernie’s economics left candidate they would have won in a landslide. But they ran a haughty California wine mom with woke social views to beat a fascist. Next time treat a threat like a threat and try to win elections instead of virtue signaling.

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Anonymous wrote:This is everything I expected in 2016. I take no satisfaction in proving the people who called me hysterical and a conspiracy theorist wrong. Just another of a million examples of how women are ignored.

You were wrong in 2016.

And your hysteria created the opportunity for 2020 to happen.

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Democrats just aren't appealing to anyone.

That’s overstating things given Harris lost by 1.5% despite such a short and flawed campaign and almost definitely not being who Dems would’ve nominated if there had been a real primary. “There would be a Dem in the White House if Biden had bowed out before the primary” is a simpler explanation than “Dems don’t appeal to anyone despite nearly getting half the vote.”

Biden could not have bowed out earlier given the need to not be a lame duck on the Hill or before the world stage and there isn't anyone but Harris who could have picked up the mantel and made a serious run at the white House without totally fracturing the party with a lame "mini primary" in August before the election.

Sure he could’ve. There was no “need” not to be a lame duck president; many before have done so. It’s not like he didn’t campaign as a “transition president” in 2020! He lied. (And fwiw I voted for him and Harris.)

I’m sick of people holding Dems to a different standard. So he “lied” (or changed his mind; people do that). BFD. Politicians make empty promises and lie all the time (whether they should be able to is a flaw in our system). Why do people ALWAYS point it out for Dems and are so disappointed by it. Newsflash: Trump lied his way through his first term. He lied his way through his campaign. And he lies every day in office.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump won because of the deep intense anger Americans have toward their govt and lifestyles.

Trump won as a result of our societal dysfunction. We elected this nut job because so many of us became nut jobs.

It's political but also cultural. The reason it's going from bad to worse and will continue faltering is because society is rotting from inside out. We weren't strong to begin with or we wouldn't be in this situation. What country elects a felon?!!!? Unless it's a messed up country!!

When the other side is led by someone who advocated for giving prisoners sex changes and putting men in women’s prisons this is what you get.

If Dems had a socially moderate, pro Union / economically center-left to Bernie’s economics left candidate they would have won in a landslide. But they ran a haughty California wine mom with woke social views to beat a fascist. Next time treat a threat like a threat and try to win elections instead of virtue signaling.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is everything I expected in 2016. I take no satisfaction in proving the people who called me hysterical and a conspiracy theorist wrong. Just another of a million examples of how women are ignored.

You were wrong in 2016.

And your hysteria created the opportunity for 2020 to happen.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump won because of the deep intense anger Americans have toward their govt and lifestyles.

Trump won as a result of our societal dysfunction. We elected this nut job because so many of us became nut jobs.

It's political but also cultural. The reason it's going from bad to worse and will continue faltering is because society is rotting from inside out. We weren't strong to begin with or we wouldn't be in this situation. What country elects a felon?!!!? Unless it's a messed up country!!

When the other side is led by someone who advocated for giving prisoners sex changes and putting men in women’s prisons this is what you get.

If Dems had a socially moderate, pro Union / economically center-left to Bernie’s economics left candidate they would have won in a landslide. But they ran a haughty California wine mom with woke social views to beat a fascist. Next time treat a threat like a threat and try to win elections instead of virtue signaling.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Democrats just aren't appealing to anyone.

That’s overstating things given Harris lost by 1.5% despite such a short and flawed campaign and almost definitely not being who Dems would’ve nominated if there had been a real primary. “There would be a Dem in the White House if Biden had bowed out before the primary” is a simpler explanation than “Dems don’t appeal to anyone despite nearly getting half the vote.”

This. MAGA likes to believe that he won by 25%, but he didn't.

I think a lot of Dems also don't want Trump or Republican lite. That would be a mistake. AOC is appealing to more than the Dem base. People wanted change.

People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Basically, think what would appeal to a Union voter in Michigan and not appeal to a graduate degree holder in Capitol Hill and run with those policies. If your candidate / platform has heavy support in Upper Caucasia, DC, you are not going to win elections in the Blue Wall.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Democrats just aren't appealing to anyone.

That’s overstating things given Harris lost by 1.5% despite such a short and flawed campaign and almost definitely not being who Dems would’ve nominated if there had been a real primary. “There would be a Dem in the White House if Biden had bowed out before the primary” is a simpler explanation than “Dems don’t appeal to anyone despite nearly getting half the vote.”

This. MAGA likes to believe that he won by 25%, but he didn't.

I think a lot of Dems also don't want Trump or Republican lite. That would be a mistake. AOC is appealing to more than the Dem base. People wanted change.

People want economic change but they don’t want illegal immigrants pouring across the border or trans swimmers setting women’s swimming records. Dems need to tack left on economics - like AOC and Bernie - but tack right on social issues - like Seth Moulten or Tester - if they want to have a hope of winning a national election.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Democrats just aren't appealing to anyone.

That’s overstating things given Harris lost by 1.5% despite such a short and flawed campaign and almost definitely not being who Dems would’ve nominated if there had been a real primary. “There would be a Dem in the White House if Biden had bowed out before the primary” is a simpler explanation than “Dems don’t appeal to anyone despite nearly getting half the vote.”