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Anonymous wrote:MO attended Princeton and felt very out of place, incompetent and depressed there even though her brother was also there.

That was 40 years ago. Her older brother Craig, on the other hand, was extremely popular and by all accounts had a good experience. He sent his own daughter there.

I also think Obama played up the angle that she was from inner city Chicago and felt out of place at Princeton for political gain. She actually went to a magnet school in Chicago that turns away most applicants.

Her brother was an athlete there. Very different situation.

Must have been horrible to have your older brother be one of the most popular students on campus for your freshman and sophomore years.

Maybe she didn't have a good time but (1) it fit her political narrative to claim she felt "out of place" at an elite, historically white, school; and (2) it was 40 years ago and the school is way more diverse now.

Anonymous wrote:People blaming on culture of school. How about looking at family culture these kids are coming from. It’s not necessarily the school’s fault.

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I have two children at Princeton. They are both happy and well-adjusted students. My children are having the time of their lives and they both adore Princeton. I have been impressed by the academic, social, career, religious, research opportunities and resources that Princeton offers its students. My children have mentors, advisors, and spiritual leaders who have guided them on their amazing academic journeys.

When I asked my children yesterday do they think the culture at Princeton is stressful, they both stated that it is not the culture of Princeton. They think that some students already have psychological problems before they come to Princeton. My oldest even mentioned that it is the students and their families who sometimes induce stress and have unhealthy expectations. Family dynamics, culture, and mental state do factor in how students navigate college.

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Anonymous wrote:MO attended Princeton and felt very out of place, incompetent and depressed there even though her brother was also there.

That was 40 years ago. Her older brother Craig, on the other hand, was extremely popular and by all accounts had a good experience. He sent his own daughter there.

I also think Obama played up the angle that she was from inner city Chicago and felt out of place at Princeton for political gain. She actually went to a magnet school in Chicago that turns away most applicants.

Her brother was an athlete there. Very different situation.

Anonymous wrote:There was a kid in high school (private) in our town that committed suicide and in obit father talked about achievements. Talk about tone deaf.

Jeez, give the poor guy a break.

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Anonymous wrote:Perfectionistic kids who struggle in such a competitive environment. Little resilience, poor mental health after years of competing and being valued for external accomplishments.

Is this just guessing? Gross

The school attracts kids whose identity is primarily based on their academic achievements. It is hard to become a small fish in a big pond: get Bs or Cs, have to actually learn how to study, mke new friends, be poor among rich kids, figure oneself out at the age of 18, etc….

Hope he is safe!

This. We all have read the stats of the kids getting into the top 10 schools these days. Heck, even what is needed to get into UVA. We do not allow kids to fail and reinvent themselves during their teen years. They are expected to be perfect and do it all. No down time. No “hanging out” all weekend with friends or family. They must volunteer, research, play a sport, make an impact, get all As (no A-s!!). It is insane. This is the result.

The young man who is missing graduated from high school in 2019 but is a current junior. Even assuming he took off a Covid year, he is taking a long time to graduate, and that’s not a typical Princeton experience. It’s quite possible that the university had been working with him for years to try and accommodate his needs. Some other schools might not have been so generous.

The amount of projection on these threads from people who want to feel better about not having attended a top school like Princeton or their kids not getting into a top school is bonkers.

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Something is wrong with you if you want to blame this on jealousy. Seven, perhaps eight, suicides in 3 years indicates something is not right for at least some kids there. MIT made a raft of changes in the early 2000s when they had a similar issues, Princeton needs to do that.

Concern troll is going to concern troll. Elite schools attract kids who hold themselves to very high standards and place a lot of pressure on themselves. Princeton has excellent resources for students who may be struggling, whether academically or for other reasons.

Princeton offers free counseling and psychological support to students. Counselors are available 24/7. Free primary care as well.

Seven suicides in three years shows it’s not working.

Is there actual proof of seven suicides?

Yes, it's well known in the community. For example (sadly more since this article):

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/04/princeton-tragic-loss-suicide-history

Two of the recent suicides occurred after the article above was published. https://paw.princeton.edu/article/princeton-student-struck-train-was-creative-writing-directors-son

Anonymous wrote:MO attended Princeton and felt very out of place, incompetent and depressed there even though her brother was also there.

Being black in the era of the “Third World Center” was especially hard. I’m sure being an athlete on a popular team boosted her brother and also somewhat isolated her from him.

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Anonymous wrote:Perfectionistic kids who struggle in such a competitive environment. Little resilience, poor mental health after years of competing and being valued for external accomplishments.

Is this just guessing? Gross

The school attracts kids whose identity is primarily based on their academic achievements. It is hard to become a small fish in a big pond: get Bs or Cs, have to actually learn how to study, mke new friends, be poor among rich kids, figure oneself out at the age of 18, etc….

Hope he is safe!

This. We all have read the stats of the kids getting into the top 10 schools these days. Heck, even what is needed to get into UVA. We do not allow kids to fail and reinvent themselves during their teen years. They are expected to be perfect and do it all. No down time. No “hanging out” all weekend with friends or family. They must volunteer, research, play a sport, make an impact, get all As (no A-s!!). It is insane. This is the result.

The young man who is missing graduated from high school in 2019 but is a current junior. Even assuming he took off a Covid year, he is taking a long time to graduate, and that’s not a typical Princeton experience. It’s quite possible that the university had been working with him for years to try and accommodate his needs. Some other schools might not have been so generous.

The amount of projection on these threads from people who want to feel better about not having attended a top school like Princeton or their kids not getting into a top school is bonkers.

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Something is wrong with you if you want to blame this on jealousy. Seven, perhaps eight, suicides in 3 years indicates something is not right for at least some kids there. MIT made a raft of changes in the early 2000s when they had a similar issues, Princeton needs to do that.

Concern troll is going to concern troll. Elite schools attract kids who hold themselves to very high standards and place a lot of pressure on themselves. Princeton has excellent resources for students who may be struggling, whether academically or for other reasons.

Princeton offers free counseling and psychological support to students. Counselors are available 24/7. Free primary care as well.

Seven suicides in three years shows it’s not working.

Is there actual proof of seven suicides?

Yes, it's well known in the community. For example (sadly more since this article):

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/04/princeton-tragic-loss-suicide-history

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton has had 7 student suicide since 2022. I do hope they consider whether they need to make some culture changes. Suicides have not historically been an issue ar the school so it’s something unique to the current culture at the school.

Maybe it’s increase in Asian students and parental pressure vs preppy nepotism babies who are more confident in their futures and are less stressed and often less perfectionistic. Not meaning to be racist but different cultures.

When you don't mean to be racist but you are actually racist...

Most of the Pton suicides have been students from Asian backgrounds so it’s relevant. Not all though.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton has had 7 student suicide since 2022. I do hope they consider whether they need to make some culture changes. Suicides have not historically been an issue ar the school so it’s something unique to the current culture at the school.

Maybe it’s increase in Asian students and parental pressure vs preppy nepotism babies who are more confident in their futures and are less stressed and often less perfectionistic. Not meaning to be racist but different cultures.

When you don't mean to be racist but you are actually racist...

Dp, but it is true that nine of the suicide victims are white.

Meant to say none are white.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton has had 7 student suicide since 2022. I do hope they consider whether they need to make some culture changes. Suicides have not historically been an issue ar the school so it’s something unique to the current culture at the school.

Maybe it’s increase in Asian students and parental pressure vs preppy nepotism babies who are more confident in their futures and are less stressed and often less perfectionistic. Not meaning to be racist but different cultures.

When you don't mean to be racist but you are actually racist...

Dp, but it is true that nine of the suicide victims are white.

Mental health issues/depression have increased dramatically in this age group. Environment, pollution, iphones? It's a concern everywhere.

Males tend to hide it better too--which is scary.

There was a kid in high school (private) in our town that committed suicide and in obit father talked about achievements. Talk about tone deaf.

People blaming on culture of school. How about looking at family culture these kids are coming from. It’s not necessarily the school’s fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton has had 7 student suicide since 2022. I do hope they consider whether they need to make some culture changes. Suicides have not historically been an issue ar the school so it’s something unique to the current culture at the school.

Maybe it’s increase in Asian students and parental pressure vs preppy nepotism babies who are more confident in their futures and are less stressed and often less perfectionistic. Not meaning to be racist but different cultures.

When you don't mean to be racist but you are actually racist...

Anonymous wrote:University of Pennsylvania has equal or worse suicide stories.

Penn had 14 over six years. Given that Penn’s twice the size and the time period is twice as long, it’s worse currently at Princeton. They may want to look at what Penn and MIT did in response, because it appears to have worked.