Funnily enough, actual progressive policies have massive appeal to the average voter. Most people can get behind bring down healthcare and pharmaceutical costs. Most people can get behind getting billionaires out of government and paying actual taxes. Most people can get behind stronger workers rights. These are actual progressive policies. Not the liberal BS the media has convinced you is actually progressivism. Progressive policy is about supporting working people. Dems and the GOP are hostile to such policy because they serve the rich.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

We as a society could have inoculated many MAGAs decades ago when those communities were asking for help. Instead Democrats told those poor white rural people to check their privilege. So those people got fed up and clung to a cult leader.

You simply cannot expect demoralized communities to think sanely. Democrats pity the demoralized brown communities but hate the demoralized white communities.

I’ve never understood the argument that the Democratic party is pro-worker. They are pro-union, hut how many workers are part of unions? Clinton is the President who screwed blue collar workers out of good manufacturing jobs by signing NAFTA and Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. It was Biden who allowed millions of illegals to pour into the country and depress working class wages. The Democratic Party is anti-working class, imo. They neither push economic policies that benefit the working class voter nor speak the came cultural language as the working class.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

We as a society could have inoculated many MAGAs decades ago when those communities were asking for help. Instead Democrats told those poor white rural people to check their privilege. So those people got fed up and clung to a cult leader.

You simply cannot expect demoralized communities to think sanely. Democrats pity the demoralized brown communities but hate the demoralized white communities.

Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

Were you or anyone you actually know impacted by the CHIPS act? Or the infrastructure bill? They literally undercut the rail workers and their strike. Showing up to a picket line is mere theatrics when you also used the office to bar workers from using their right to strike.

My point is that, yes Democrats claim many legislative victories, but who the hell actually benefits? Not me. Not anyone I know. I'd wager, not you or anyone you know. Odd isn't it? It's theater. And the sooner folks like you get your head out of your ass and see it, the sooner we can begin applying the pressure necessary to get them to ACTUALLY do something that would help real people, and not just talk a big game.

We know Republicans don't help anyone. But Democrats don't either. They play pretend. They wear Kente cloth and take a knee while giving police forces even more money. They show up for photo ops at picket lines and protests, then turn around and hand Republicans the power to cut social security. They vote to approve appointees who are entirely unqualified and who have made their intend to destroy the very agencies they head quite plain. They rail against billionaires meddling in government the turn around and have private meetings and fundraisers with them.

This has to stop. Take off your team jersey and really LOOK at what is happening. MAGA is absolutely a cult, but they aren't the only ones falling victim to propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

For the love of God, please stop trotting CHIPS out as a Democrat success. Did you ever try to actually navigate CHIPS? Get money or support from the program? I suspect the number of actual working class people helped by CHIPS is under 1000 nationwide.

- Harris voting Democrat.

CHIPS is about investing in semiconductor and chipmakinf manufacturing. Do you seriously think those kinds of plants can be stood up at the snap of a finger? It takes years, construction, supply chain, sufficient power generation and so on. CHIPS is stimm a work in motion. Likewise, Trump's tariffs don't result in American manufacturing materializing at the snap of a finger.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Welp, they are going to be suffering even more now, and particularly with no social safety nets. At least the Dems tried by getting more jobs created and trying to ensure clean air and water and cheaper medicine.

Nobody except DCUM posters and a thin slice of registered Democrats actually believe this.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

For the love of God, please stop trotting CHIPS out as a Democrat success. Did you ever try to actually navigate CHIPS? Get money or support from the program? I suspect the number of actual working class people helped by CHIPS is under 1000 nationwide.

- Harris voting Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

For the love of God, please stop trotting CHIPS out as a Democrat success. Did you ever try to actually navigate CHIPS? Get money or support from the program? I suspect the number of actual working class people helped by CHIPS is under 1000 nationwide.

- Harris voting Democrat.

I guess you missed the stats around investments in new manufacturing plants as a result of the act.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

For the love of God, please stop trotting CHIPS out as a Democrat success. Did you ever try to actually navigate CHIPS? Get money or support from the program? I suspect the number of actual working class people helped by CHIPS is under 1000 nationwide.

- Harris voting Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Welp, they are going to be suffering even more now, and particularly with no social safety nets. At least the Dems tried by getting more jobs created and trying to ensure clean air and water and cheaper medicine.

We see how you get cheaper medicine. You pay off the drug companies. Cheaper to the end user at the expense of the tax payer. You democrats fully embrace subsidizing greed, as long as it's on your terms.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

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It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

PP, why do you think I should have to answer your questions? What in my posts led you to the conclusion I am uniformed? Where did I say I was shocked by the election results?

Are you having a conversation with the person you are quoting or some imaginary third party?

Pretty much every word of your posts show how uninformed you are. I’d have to quote you the whole thing.

And yes, you don’t need to answer the questions. I already know your answers.

Oh, come on PP, you can do it! You can point out what is uniformed and respond accordingly. I believe in you! Put that moderate dem brain to work!

Sigh, okay. First, you don’t understand the concept of consuming media across the political spectrum. Never mind that the concept of tracking media across the political spectrum is media literacy 101, something that books are written about and political analysts study closely. But you know better! You don’t need media literacy! You say don’t need to practice media literacy because you have talked to a few MAGA you know personally or watched Fox a few times when it was on at your father’s nursing home. That’s flatly uniformed and ignorant, and you admitted it outright.

Second, you can’t conceive of someone who voted for the same candidate you did taking the time to consume opposition media. You accuse me of being MAGA, simply because I invest time in keeping tabs on politically diverse media. That’s anti-intellectual tribalism, and also ignorant.

Third, you don’t seem to understand the difference between anecdotes and data. You conflate all Trump voters with your own friends and family, who are almost certainly white and old. That’s wildly ignorant, particularly given the demographic shifts that occurred in the last election (and that are documented by your own bubble media, as well as media outside your bubble). You cannot possibly understand what propelled Trump to power if your narrow viewpoint is defined by what your own bubble media tells you and your cousin, your dad, and your aunts and uncles say. That’s just determined blindness.

Encountering dissenting opinions won’t melt you, contrary to what you obviously believe. You seem proud to remain ignorant, and that’s your choice. But don’t think you’re any more informed than the MAGA. You aren’t.