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Anonymous wrote:how many will take drp y'all think?

My very tiny office (5 people) and one is taking it as she’s only a year in and likely out in a RIF anyway and would only get a week severance.

I have heard of a couple...all retirement age.

Anonymous wrote:how many will take drp y'all think?

My very tiny office (5 people) and one is taking it as she’s only a year in and likely out in a RIF anyway and would only get a week severance.

General consensus around my office is only bother with the resume if you have something significant to add that is not in your Pos Des or your Pos Des is way off.

how many will take drp y'all think?

Anonymous wrote:In the current climate, with RIFs coming, I totally would put together a comprehensive resume with all my differentiating skills rather than rely on some generic PD to protect me from the RIF.

Sure, get the resume ready. But it won’t matter in the end, as they just cut out entire offices. I would start ingratiating yourself with political leadership. If anything will work, it will be that. (Whether you want to do that is another question.) If you have a political person who, in the two minutes they have been there, actively engages with you and needs your input, your office may have a better shot.

Maybe IRS is doing it differently (doubtful), but all others so far have been by office, not looking at individuals.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they can make you a 12,I hope the it rumors arent true

In this hypothetical, do the current 12s stay 12s or are they bumped down too?

it all depends if there are any 12 or lower positions to occupy.

step one: eliminate positions.
step two: force everyone to compete for remaining positions they are qualified for by ranking the staff based on tenure, vet preference, performance, etc. someone ends up getting cut.

they aren't pointing a finger and saying "you there, you're now a 12, and oh bob is now a 10."

In the current climate, with RIFs coming, I totally would put together a comprehensive resume with all my differentiating skills rather than rely on some generic PD to protect me from the RIF.

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they can make you a 12,I hope the it rumors arent true

In this hypothetical, do the current 12s stay 12s or are they bumped down too?

Anonymous wrote:The issue is they can make you a 12,I hope the it rumors arent true

they can offer you a 12 position, but you'd continue your old salary for (i think) two years.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If IRS is asking for resumes, they may be attempting to do the RIF the traditional way. If they do, it will be the very first agency to do so, so that's actually a great thing.

A resume sounds daunting, but isn't with chat GPT, etc. (which can be used for free).

Presumably, the reason for the resume is that they're trying to to find another internal job for you rather than lay you off. In a traditional rif, they could offer you a different job for which you are qualified, rather than just unemploying you. So it's worth doing it. It wouldn't need to be fancy, but you would want to have all of your job skills noted, and all your prior federal jobs noted (because the most straightforward thing would be to offer you one of those).

Resume is not part of the RIF process.

They are not doing a normal RIF, anyway.

a RIF Resume is absolutely part of the (historical) RIF process. as positions, not people, are eliminated: all of the affected staff have to be ranked and scored and then offered those positions that continue to exist based on their preference and qualifications. as people in those positions get bumped, they may end up retreating to be offered another position that they qualify for (or could qualify for, given nominal 3-6 months retraining) based on their resume. folks that retreat to a lower position will retain their higher salary for two years.

a 30-year disabled veteran mechanic cannot bump a 15-year lawyer from their position, but they might be able to bump a 10-year hvac tech from their position. that's why the resumes matter.

Hi Person who sounds like they know what they are talking about. So am I competing with the 20 other grade 14'IT specialists in my division when I create this resume to either keep the position if they reduce the number or get a different one? I have more seniority than most and excellent evals. My particular office feels pretty safe but you never know.

it depends on the reorg plan; you *might* be creating a resume to compete with the say 300 2210s (including 15s) in the entire agency.

so far, what they have been doing is defining the competitive area super narrowly and declaring that an agency has no obligation to go through bump and retreat because entire competitive areas/offices are eliminated and there is a hiring freeze.

in the previous RIF I went through, the entire process took over a year, and in the end about 10% total of the staff were RIFed. All staff continued to work onsite through the notice period, and all affected staff found new positions at other agencies through ICTAP. OPM doesn't really have the staff to run a year+ process across multiple large agencies.

the competitive areas also depend on how the agency handles position descriptions: in previous agency PDs were pretty detailed and so when they did something like eliminate the DBAs, the people doing that work didn't have the specific experience needed to start bumping folks doing storage system work. or coding. my current agency, everyone in my area is on the same PD.

The issue is they can make you a 12,I hope the it rumors arent true

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If IRS is asking for resumes, they may be attempting to do the RIF the traditional way. If they do, it will be the very first agency to do so, so that's actually a great thing.

A resume sounds daunting, but isn't with chat GPT, etc. (which can be used for free).

Presumably, the reason for the resume is that they're trying to to find another internal job for you rather than lay you off. In a traditional rif, they could offer you a different job for which you are qualified, rather than just unemploying you. So it's worth doing it. It wouldn't need to be fancy, but you would want to have all of your job skills noted, and all your prior federal jobs noted (because the most straightforward thing would be to offer you one of those).

Resume is not part of the RIF process.

They are not doing a normal RIF, anyway.

a RIF Resume is absolutely part of the (historical) RIF process. as positions, not people, are eliminated: all of the affected staff have to be ranked and scored and then offered those positions that continue to exist based on their preference and qualifications. as people in those positions get bumped, they may end up retreating to be offered another position that they qualify for (or could qualify for, given nominal 3-6 months retraining) based on their resume. folks that retreat to a lower position will retain their higher salary for two years.

a 30-year disabled veteran mechanic cannot bump a 15-year lawyer from their position, but they might be able to bump a 10-year hvac tech from their position. that's why the resumes matter.

Hi Person who sounds like they know what they are talking about. So am I competing with the 20 other grade 14'IT specialists in my division when I create this resume to either keep the position if they reduce the number or get a different one? I have more seniority than most and excellent evals. My particular office feels pretty safe but you never know.

Are you a vet? they will have pereference, how many years of fed service do you have?

Not a vet. 30 years. 50 years old (started in college with internship). Kids in college. Do not want to retire yet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If IRS is asking for resumes, they may be attempting to do the RIF the traditional way. If they do, it will be the very first agency to do so, so that's actually a great thing.

A resume sounds daunting, but isn't with chat GPT, etc. (which can be used for free).

Presumably, the reason for the resume is that they're trying to to find another internal job for you rather than lay you off. In a traditional rif, they could offer you a different job for which you are qualified, rather than just unemploying you. So it's worth doing it. It wouldn't need to be fancy, but you would want to have all of your job skills noted, and all your prior federal jobs noted (because the most straightforward thing would be to offer you one of those).

Resume is not part of the RIF process.

They are not doing a normal RIF, anyway.

a RIF Resume is absolutely part of the (historical) RIF process. as positions, not people, are eliminated: all of the affected staff have to be ranked and scored and then offered those positions that continue to exist based on their preference and qualifications. as people in those positions get bumped, they may end up retreating to be offered another position that they qualify for (or could qualify for, given nominal 3-6 months retraining) based on their resume. folks that retreat to a lower position will retain their higher salary for two years.

a 30-year disabled veteran mechanic cannot bump a 15-year lawyer from their position, but they might be able to bump a 10-year hvac tech from their position. that's why the resumes matter.

Hi Person who sounds like they know what they are talking about. So am I competing with the 20 other grade 14'IT specialists in my division when I create this resume to either keep the position if they reduce the number or get a different one? I have more seniority than most and excellent evals. My particular office feels pretty safe but you never know.

Are you a vet? they will have pereference, how many years of fed service do you have?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If IRS is asking for resumes, they may be attempting to do the RIF the traditional way. If they do, it will be the very first agency to do so, so that's actually a great thing.

A resume sounds daunting, but isn't with chat GPT, etc. (which can be used for free).

Presumably, the reason for the resume is that they're trying to to find another internal job for you rather than lay you off. In a traditional rif, they could offer you a different job for which you are qualified, rather than just unemploying you. So it's worth doing it. It wouldn't need to be fancy, but you would want to have all of your job skills noted, and all your prior federal jobs noted (because the most straightforward thing would be to offer you one of those).

Resume is not part of the RIF process.

They are not doing a normal RIF, anyway.

a RIF Resume is absolutely part of the (historical) RIF process. as positions, not people, are eliminated: all of the affected staff have to be ranked and scored and then offered those positions that continue to exist based on their preference and qualifications. as people in those positions get bumped, they may end up retreating to be offered another position that they qualify for (or could qualify for, given nominal 3-6 months retraining) based on their resume. folks that retreat to a lower position will retain their higher salary for two years.

a 30-year disabled veteran mechanic cannot bump a 15-year lawyer from their position, but they might be able to bump a 10-year hvac tech from their position. that's why the resumes matter.

Hi Person who sounds like they know what they are talking about. So am I competing with the 20 other grade 14'IT specialists in my division when I create this resume to either keep the position if they reduce the number or get a different one? I have more seniority than most and excellent evals. My particular office feels pretty safe but you never know.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If IRS is asking for resumes, they may be attempting to do the RIF the traditional way. If they do, it will be the very first agency to do so, so that's actually a great thing.

A resume sounds daunting, but isn't with chat GPT, etc. (which can be used for free).

Presumably, the reason for the resume is that they're trying to to find another internal job for you rather than lay you off. In a traditional rif, they could offer you a different job for which you are qualified, rather than just unemploying you. So it's worth doing it. It wouldn't need to be fancy, but you would want to have all of your job skills noted, and all your prior federal jobs noted (because the most straightforward thing would be to offer you one of those).

Resume is not part of the RIF process.

They are not doing a normal RIF, anyway.

a RIF Resume is absolutely part of the (historical) RIF process. as positions, not people, are eliminated: all of the affected staff have to be ranked and scored and then offered those positions that continue to exist based on their preference and qualifications. as people in those positions get bumped, they may end up retreating to be offered another position that they qualify for (or could qualify for, given nominal 3-6 months retraining) based on their resume. folks that retreat to a lower position will retain their higher salary for two years.

a 30-year disabled veteran mechanic cannot bump a 15-year lawyer from their position, but they might be able to bump a 10-year hvac tech from their position. that's why the resumes matter.