Anonymous wrote:Maybe mcps sports teams should be lottery-based like the magnet programs are.

Exactly! If they do DEI in academic

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

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It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

I don't think it’s a true lottery and they just say that.

That might be true as well. Lottery is not transparent. But kids score 99 percentile didn't make it to the “GT” program is definitely DEI and affirmative action.

Or not enough seats in this large county.

We need more programs, clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

I don't think it’s a true lottery and they just say that.

That might be true as well. Lottery is not transparent. But kids score 99 percentile didn't make it to the “GT” program is definitely DEI and affirmative action.

Or not enough seats in this large county.

Maybe mcps sports teams should be lottery-based like the magnet programs are.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

I want the bolded, certainly. IQ and cognitive test scores form a bell curve, there's a lot of variability in the lower and upper 1%. They really should give those seats to the top scorers, because these kids are often miserable in regular classes. The test cannot be "practiced" like knowledge test such as the SAT, it's a cognitive function test, which is very different.

Think about it this way though: the 99%ers tend to be in schools with all the other 99%ers, so how miserable could they be? The 90%ers are in schools with very few other high performers. Makes sense to me to give them the opportunity to be with other high performers.

Yes, it's all relative. If they don't have a cohort of other students with similar scores in their school, then it makes sense to me to have those kids eligible for the magnet programs. Of course, it would be better if there were more magnet seats to accommodate all who could benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:They should get rid of the magnets completely and stop pulling the smart kids out of their local schools, especially for elem age.

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They should meet needs at local schools through a class there. If there are not enough kids to make a gifted class, then offer a cosa to a school that can meet their needs.

I agree with this 100%. Taking the smartest kids out of their local schools and concentrating them in just a few places has really hurt a lot of neighborhood schools. Instead of moving the kids, let’s bring the resources to them. Supporting gifted students where they already are not only helps them succeed, but it also makes the whole school stronger—more challenging classes, better teacher development, and a more well-rounded environment for everyone. They should do this from elementary school through high school.

Theoretically, could this dissolve the DCC? (as a high school DCC teacher, I think a lot of benefits would come from going back to neighborhood schools)

I definitely see value in offering a few unique specialty programs at some high schools like they do today. For example, one or two high schools might focus on medical, another on engineering, and another on something entirely different. That way, students can explore their interests and follow their goals. But the test-in magnet programs? Those should be phased out—they create unnecessary barriers and inequities.

What do you mean? What barriers and in what way are they creating inequities?

It creates an uneven system where some schools get more resources, advanced classes, and peer motivation, while others (especially the non-Ws and high FARMs schools) are left with fewer opportunities. It also tends to separate students by achievement level—and often by race and income—which can make schools less diverse and inclusive. When strong students and involved families leave, for some schools, it really weakens the sense of community and support.

This, I wish we realized our school didn't offer advanced classes. I would have chosen another school. My kid cannot get the classes they need in jr. and senior years as they maxed out in certain subjects.

High achievers don't wish. They choose where they live after doing extensive research into the school their children will attend. This is a great example of why all the efforts and money spent trying to bridge the achievement gap fail.
Achievement is something you learn and is fostered through parenting. Period.
The schools can't teach it.

I don't know where you live but I hope you realize that here in the DMV the schools that have the max offerings are in the wealthiest neighborhoods that majority cannot afford to buy into. I wish I had the money to buy a house in the BCC cluster where they offer not only an IB program but a plethora of AP classes. It's either I afford a house in a wealthy cluster or my kid has to be lucky enough to be selected for one of the test-in magnets. And for the record, we are a high achieving family with a great household income, just not great enough for the neighborhoods I'm talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

I want the bolded, certainly. IQ and cognitive test scores form a bell curve, there's a lot of variability in the lower and upper 1%. They really should give those seats to the top scorers, because these kids are often miserable in regular classes. The test cannot be "practiced" like knowledge test such as the SAT, it's a cognitive function test, which is very different.

Think about it this way though: the 99%ers tend to be in schools with all the other 99%ers, so how miserable could they be? The 90%ers are in schools with very few other high performers. Makes sense to me to give them the opportunity to be with other high performers.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

I don't think it’s a true lottery and they just say that.

That might be true as well. Lottery is not transparent. But kids score 99 percentile didn't make it to the “GT” program is definitely DEI and affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

I don't think its a true lottery and they just say that.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

Also just like the sports team, they worked so hard to make it to the final. And the rule said you all are in the pool and we will draw lottery to see who will be the champion. Did you get it now? Things are very unfair for elementary kids.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?

Why? For example, you and a bunch of coworkers are competing for a promotion. You scored 99 points on all the interview questions, they scored 85 points. And you were told you all make it to the final list, and they picked 85 because it’s random lottery. That happens in MCPS at elementary level.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

True but it's specifically designed to keep out the very kids who need it the most to enhance their diversity numbers.

But that it is race-blind is why they are protected. They are not going to move away from this.

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

True but it's specifically designed to keep out the very kids who need it the most to enhance their diversity numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:What is DEI?

Where have you been??? LOL

Why does Trump hate America? Even our founders were DEIsts!

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Anonymous wrote:This is excellent. MCPS should get rid of its DEI programs. Removing the lottery for magnet programs would be a wonderful start.

The lottery is exactly what protects them drom accusations of DEI. It is random. They will double down on it now.

The randomness was removed by the lottery AFTER MCPS expanded the inclusion of students who would not have made it to the Magnet programs if only academic or standardized tests were the criteria. And they did this only to increase Diversity in the magnet class. If this is not DEI, then what is it?

The randomness of the lottery is what protects them. Whatever the reasons for moving to it. They absolutely will not get rid of it now because it gets them as close to the outcomes they want in a manner they can defend. They are not hand selecting students.

You would do better to advocate to change the criteria for who will be entered into the lottery than to advocate for an end of the lottery.

So you’re good with a racist lottery?

DP. The lottery is race-blind.

+1

It might be race blind, but locally norm, putting kids who scored 85 percentile in the pool with kids scored 99 percentile did open the pool to more race. And 85 percentile is picked over 99 percentile through lottery.. such a joke!

Exactly, the lottery, if held, should only be between all the 99 percenters.

Why?