Anonymous
03/31/2025 20:10
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawhitford/2025/03/26/the-new-ivies-2025-20-great-colleges-employers-love/
An update of the (somewhat controversial) list from last year. Mostly the same as last year, but with a few colleges swapped out
New to this year's list:
WashU St. Louis
Tufts
Purdue
West Point
UPitt
William & Mary
I went to one of those, have a kid at an Ivy. Not a chance. I so wish we could permanently get rid of public ivy, new ivy, ivy plus, make it stop! These are all great schools, it’s just so desperate having to add that tag on and it doesn’t make any sense.
The term “public ivy” has been around for about 40 years.
The guy who wrote the original book coined the term because he was encouraging students to consider public schools that could provide a good undergraduate experience rather than spending so much money on private schools. It made sense in that context.
Anonymous
03/30/2025 18:09
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawhitford/2025/03/26/the-new-ivies-2025-20-great-colleges-employers-love/
An update of the (somewhat controversial) list from last year. Mostly the same as last year, but with a few colleges swapped out
New to this year's list:
WashU St. Louis
Tufts
Purdue
West Point
UPitt
William & Mary
I went to one of those, have a kid at an Ivy. Not a chance. I so wish we could permanently get rid of public ivy, new ivy, ivy plus, make it stop! These are all great schools, it’s just so desperate having to add that tag on and it doesn’t make any sense.
The term “public ivy” has been around for about 40 years.
Anonymous
03/30/2025 16:53
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back.
It's employer preference - you're welcome to call them up and tell them they are wrong
Not really…the UC schools aren’t included because Forbes requires standardized test scores for this ranking and UC schools are test blind.
Even if the very same employers said they love all the UC schools they still would not be on this list.
Yes really. It’s true that if UC schools had been options, a couple might have been included. So, you could argue UCLA, Berkeley, etc should also be on the list. That’s fair. But it doesn’t change the fact that given all the choices but UCs, these were the ones employers chose.
Yeah to VA for getting two schools on the list. For all the griping about how hard the top college in VA are to get into, we are really lucky to have UVA &WM (both excellent, but appeal to different kids) AND VT for STEM. AND really solid options with great outcomes in GMU, JMU, VCA (arts, engineer, health science, UMW & CNU (smaller schools) for kids locked out of UVa/WM/VT STEM. Given its population, VA is punching way above its weight in terms of higher education options.
Interesting that the public side of the list of non-VA colleges are really the STEM powerhouses: UICU, Purdue, Pitt, GA Tech— even UT Austin. It’s basically a list of publics that a lot of TJ kids attend (have a TJ alum kid).
Would add Michigan to STEM powerhouses, before someone gripes.
Interesting the private side is less STEM-centric. CMU is an obvious outlier, and some of these schools are excellent in some sSTEM areas. I think it’s hard for a smaller school to field an engineering department well. It’s a big investment to go all in.
Add JHU to CMU. Stiil, the public’s list tilts much more STEM than privates list.
Anonymous
03/30/2025 16:53
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back.
It's employer preference - you're welcome to call them up and tell them they are wrong
Not really…the UC schools aren’t included because Forbes requires standardized test scores for this ranking and UC schools are test blind.
Even if the very same employers said they love all the UC schools they still would not be on this list.
Yes really. It’s true that if UC schools had been options, a couple might have been included. So, you could argue UCLA, Berkeley, etc should also be on the list. That’s fair. But it doesn’t change the fact that given all the choices but UCs, these were the ones employers chose.
Yeah to VA for getting two schools on the list. For all the griping about how hard the top college in VA are to get into, we are really lucky to have UVA &WM (both excellent, but appeal to different kids) AND VT for STEM. AND really solid options with great outcomes in GMU, JMU, VCA (arts, engineer, health science, UMW & CNU (smaller schools) for kids locked out of UVa/WM/VT STEM. Given its population, VA is punching way above its weight in terms of higher education options.
Interesting that the public side of the list of non-VA colleges are really the STEM powerhouses: UICU, Purdue, Pitt, GA Tech— even UT Austin. It’s basically a list of publics that a lot of TJ kids attend (have a TJ alum kid).
Would add Michigan to STEM powerhouses, before someone gripes.
Interesting the private side is less STEM-centric. CMU is an obvious outlier, and some of these schools are excellent in some sSTEM areas. I think it’s hard for a smaller school to field an engineering department well. It’s a big investment to go all in.
Anonymous
03/30/2025 16:49
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back.
It's employer preference - you're welcome to call them up and tell them they are wrong
Not really…the UC schools aren’t included because Forbes requires standardized test scores for this ranking and UC schools are test blind.
Even if the very same employers said they love all the UC schools they still would not be on this list.
Yes really. It’s true that if UC schools had been options, a couple might have been included. So, you could argue UCLA, Berkeley, etc should also be on the list. That’s fair. But it doesn’t change the fact that given all the choices but UCs, these were the ones employers chose.
Yeah to VA for getting two schools on the list. For all the griping about how hard the top college in VA are to get into, we are really lucky to have UVA &WM (both excellent, but appeal to different kids) AND VT for STEM. AND really solid options with great outcomes in GMU, JMU, VCA (arts, engineer, health science, UMW & CNU (smaller schools) for kids locked out of UVa/WM/VT STEM. Given its population, VA is punching way above its weight in terms of higher education options.
Interesting that the public side of the list of non-VA colleges are really the STEM powerhouses: UICU, Purdue, Pitt, GA Tech— even UT Austin. It’s basically a list of publics that a lot of TJ kids attend (have a TJ alum kid).
Anonymous
03/30/2025 16:10
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back.
It's employer preference - you're welcome to call them up and tell them they are wrong
Not really…the UC schools aren’t included because Forbes requires standardized test scores for this ranking and UC schools are test blind.
Even if the very same employers said they love all the UC schools they still would not be on this list.
Anonymous
03/30/2025 16:06
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back.
It's employer preference - you're welcome to call them up and tell them they are wrong
The criteria for the public schools are well below that of private ones.
Because public schools serve the public not just the elite
Anonymous
03/30/2025 15:20
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back.
It's employer preference - you're welcome to call them up and tell them they are wrong
The criteria for the public schools are well below that of private ones.
Anonymous
03/30/2025 14:52
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
I have a son at Purdue (Engineering) and wow! It is HARD. The kids that are able to graduate and survive the STEM programs there are very smart, tough as nails, resilient and self-motivated. Nothing is handed to them and if anything there is grade deflation (son had one grade curved down 9 points!!!! because literally only 8% of the class was awarded an A). Many students who started in the program have either transferred out, changed majors or outright failed after being on academic probation. I love the no non-sense attitude of the school - reinforces the "you get what you get and you don't fuss a bit" I used to tell him as a preschooler. They get out of the program what they put into it.
Anonymous
03/30/2025 14:51
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m happy to see Pitt starting to get more recognition. I don’t have a kid there but know so many really bright kids there now.
Pitt is killing it at attracting super bright high stats kids. I know so many high SAT / high GPA kids who are starting to choose Pitt. They do a great job at recruiting.
+1. Pitt is the surprise on the list, but a pleasant one. Both my kids used it as a safety. Admitted in September and done. Neither attended, but we were impressed with the campus and tour. One of my kids was TJ. Don’t know about now, but 2018-2020 sent more kids to Pitt than VT.
Anonymous
03/30/2025 13:41
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:I’m happy to see Pitt starting to get more recognition. I don’t have a kid there but know so many really bright kids there now.
Pitt is killing it at attracting super bright high stats kids. I know so many high SAT / high GPA kids who are starting to choose Pitt. They do a great job at recruiting.
Anonymous
03/28/2025 11:52
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back.
It's employer preference - you're welcome to call them up and tell them they are wrong
Anonymous
03/28/2025 11:48
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back.
Anonymous
03/28/2025 11:24
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
Very reasonable list of schools that offer Ivy League caliber or better educational opportunities.
Basically just the top ranked non Ivy schools - not really breaking new ground here
Anonymous
03/28/2025 09:56
Subject: 2025 Forbes New Ivies List
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Could someone post the full list of schools?
The publics are:
Georgia Tech
Purdue
UT Austin
West Point
UIUC
UMich
UNC-CH
UPitt
Virginia
William & Mary
The privates are:
CMU
Emory
JHU
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St Louis
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHqg81-sire/
Very reasonable list of schools that offer Ivy League caliber or better educational opportunities.