Well don’t worry, they’ll definitely make up the shortfall by switching up FCPS transportation something bus routes mumble mumble

Anonymous wrote:DEI includes special needs, 504 plans, etc.

No it does not. Those are part of IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Act) and existed long before the DEI craziness.

Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't anyone ever ask why there are NEVER any productivity improvements in the education industry? When will they actually find a way to save some money?

And adversely impact the union's membership by limiting the number of dues-paying members?

Why doesn't anyone ever ask why there are NEVER any productivity improvements in the education industry? When will they actually find a way to save some money?

Anonymous wrote:Public education helps our community as a whole. It is worth the investment to help legal immigrants get up to speed in English because it serves our society as a whole to help people succeed. I hate that we spend so much money on educating illegal immigrants but that’s required by law and congress has avoided proper immigration reform forever.

But the free education also goes to those here illegally. And there are many here illegally due to the previous administration's actions (or deliberate inaction)

Anonymous wrote:Public education helps our community as a whole. It is worth the investment to help legal immigrants get up to speed in English because it serves our society as a whole to help people succeed. I hate that we spend so much money on educating illegal immigrants but that’s required by law and congress has avoided proper immigration reform forever.

People say our immigration system is “broken” but typically what they really mean is they want unlimited immigration, or at least immigration of the people they want to come.

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Anonymous wrote:But no one wants to admit that a huge part of the FCPS and county budget is going toward helping illegal immigrants.

Helping in which way that it sucks up so much budget?

Most of it is language services but they also mention "other services." $142 million was spent last year alone on the ESOL population.

We should not be cutting fire and police services. FCPS should stop or cut back those services and make sure the teachers get their raises. Whatever they spend for adult ESOL services should also be cut. Why is FCPS even offering that?

Because it’s better for society if they learn English? Were you born stupid or were you dropped on your head or what?

Or they can go to school in their home countries and learn in their native language.

This is the point. If here illegally, they should not benefit from legal residents' taxes. If here legally, they chose to come here and are responsible for their own integration into society, including acquiring language skills necessary for assimilation. It should not be the responsibility of federal, state, or local governments to facilitate their assimilation when they moved here of their own volition.

How do you think a 5 year old can be responsible for their own integration into society? Are you that stupid? And just how many foreign languages do you speak well enough to graduate from high school or college with it? I'm guessing zero.

That 5-year old illegal is not my problem, except to the extent the County raises my taxes so he can be educated on my dime. If he's documented, he's still not my problem. His parents can teach him, or can pay for classes - they should not have immigrated with the expectation that their host country would bear the cost of raising their children beyond what native English speakers receive in the way of public education.

+1. They need to go back.

You are saying legal immigrants whose 5 year olds don't speak English have to go back? That's messed up.
I didn't think schools offer special instruction for kids who don't speak English at all. Do they?

The average 5 year old of legal immigrants would not require a lot of additional support, because 5 year olds learn quickly, especially if surrounded by native speakers.

The problems come from thousands of older kids and teens coming with no English and not literate in their native language. Many of them are not all that interested in assimilating. They skip classes, they go to school to get a meal or whatever but many of them are arriving without being literate in their native language. We really are not responsible for this and should not be paying for it.

Maybe we need to move to a model where kids need to have a certain level of language ability in order to be eligible for grades 10-12 or past age 16. They can get jobs and learn English on their own time, and if they really want, can study for GED. They will get the kind of jobs they would be getting after 4 years of “high school” anyway.

It doesn’t really matter if they are legal or not. Too many came and use too many resources and we cannot absorb them all. Thank god the faucet has been turned off.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with a lot of what PP have said in this post. Cuts must be made to balance the budget. But a lot of voters must support the current plan because the majority elected the current council. Nothing will change unless votes change.

Exactly. Throw the bums out. All they know is spend, spend spend, because "the rich" will keep paying for everything, no need for any fiscal restraint.

I agree with a lot of what PP have said in this post. Cuts must be made to balance the budget. But a lot of voters must support the current plan because the majority elected the current council. Nothing will change unless votes change.

FCPS could easily cut $$ without damaging education. Just check out the rise in administration employees vs teachers and assistants who actually teach and work with students.

Expensive programs are not the answer.

And, currently, they are spending major dollars on a boundary study that most people do not want and that the county does not need.

As for the Board of Supervisors? Enough money to raise their pay (I realize that is a drop in the bucket) and McKay's "Covid Memorial."

Cut the gravy and concentrate on the meat of the programs.

Public education helps our community as a whole. It is worth the investment to help legal immigrants get up to speed in English because it serves our society as a whole to help people succeed. I hate that we spend so much money on educating illegal immigrants but that’s required by law and congress has avoided proper immigration reform forever.

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Anonymous wrote:But no one wants to admit that a huge part of the FCPS and county budget is going toward helping illegal immigrants.

Helping in which way that it sucks up so much budget?

Most of it is language services but they also mention "other services." $142 million was spent last year alone on the ESOL population.

We should not be cutting fire and police services. FCPS should stop or cut back those services and make sure the teachers get their raises. Whatever they spend for adult ESOL services should also be cut. Why is FCPS even offering that?

Because it’s better for society if they learn English? Were you born stupid or were you dropped on your head or what?

Or they can go to school in their home countries and learn in their native language.

This is the point. If here illegally, they should not benefit from legal residents' taxes. If here legally, they chose to come here and are responsible for their own integration into society, including acquiring language skills necessary for assimilation. It should not be the responsibility of federal, state, or local governments to facilitate their assimilation when they moved here of their own volition.

How do you think a 5 year old can be responsible for their own integration into society? Are you that stupid? And just how many foreign languages do you speak well enough to graduate from high school or college with it? I'm guessing zero.

That 5-year old illegal is not my problem, except to the extent the County raises my taxes so he can be educated on my dime. If he's documented, he's still not my problem. His parents can teach him, or can pay for classes - they should not have immigrated with the expectation that their host country would bear the cost of raising their children beyond what native English speakers receive in the way of public education.

+1. They need to go back.

You are saying legal immigrants whose 5 year olds don't speak English have to go back? That's messed up.
I didn't think schools offer special instruction for kids who don't speak English at all. Do they?

That person is saying that legal immigrants should receive the same services as citizens, no more, no less. If someone immigrates legally, that's a voluntary choice, and they should be responsible for their own integration into their host society. Learning English is their responsibility; it should not be a cost imposed on taxpaying citizens, any more than should be finding employment, procuring housing, obtaining a car, or any of the other aspect of daily life. If you come here, it should be because you have the means to support your self. That includes having the means to learn the language. If charities want to provide language instruction, fine, but taxpayers should not be burdened with the expense.

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Anonymous wrote:But no one wants to admit that a huge part of the FCPS and county budget is going toward helping illegal immigrants.

Helping in which way that it sucks up so much budget?

Most of it is language services but they also mention "other services." $142 million was spent last year alone on the ESOL population.

We should not be cutting fire and police services. FCPS should stop or cut back those services and make sure the teachers get their raises. Whatever they spend for adult ESOL services should also be cut. Why is FCPS even offering that?

Because it’s better for society if they learn English? Were you born stupid or were you dropped on your head or what?

Or they can go to school in their home countries and learn in their native language.

This is the point. If here illegally, they should not benefit from legal residents' taxes. If here legally, they chose to come here and are responsible for their own integration into society, including acquiring language skills necessary for assimilation. It should not be the responsibility of federal, state, or local governments to facilitate their assimilation when they moved here of their own volition.

How do you think a 5 year old can be responsible for their own integration into society? Are you that stupid? And just how many foreign languages do you speak well enough to graduate from high school or college with it? I'm guessing zero.

That 5-year old illegal is not my problem, except to the extent the County raises my taxes so he can be educated on my dime. If he's documented, he's still not my problem. His parents can teach him, or can pay for classes - they should not have immigrated with the expectation that their host country would bear the cost of raising their children beyond what native English speakers receive in the way of public education.

+1. They need to go back.

You are saying legal immigrants whose 5 year olds don't speak English have to go back? That's messed up.
I didn't think schools offer special instruction for kids who don't speak English at all. Do they?

So Arlington’s very similar to FFX in their current responses… basically a lot of all around support (legal, home delivery services, educational, etc. etc.) for the undocumented, and simultaneously raising real estate and property taxes… by a lot, in addition to cutting services and jobs. If anyone has comparable numbers or estimates between the counties, I’d like to see them. How many undocumented individuals, (and also students), are there in reality in FFX, and how many in Arlington? 1000? 10,000? 100,000? Does anyone even know - since no local district asks about immigration? And was it 25K to 35K per student per year? How many organizations exist through federal and state and local funds solely to support this population? Both the local government and the local school district say they have significant budget shortfalls, and are cutting positions of teachers and services.

On a separate note, there was a lot of publicity about 3 (?) raids looking for a few specific people - and apparently one arrest came of this. This person reportedly was convicted of sexual battery in the past, and deported twice previously. There is a local nonprofit that posts bonds, and lobbies hard currently to cease any and all cooperation with immigration services - even in cases like this. If you voted in the local elections, do you really agree with this, and if so, why? And if not, how can we tell the local government (they don’t seem to be perceptive, or worried about losing votes)?

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Anonymous wrote:But no one wants to admit that a huge part of the FCPS and county budget is going toward helping illegal immigrants.

Helping in which way that it sucks up so much budget?

Most of it is language services but they also mention "other services." $142 million was spent last year alone on the ESOL population.

We should not be cutting fire and police services. FCPS should stop or cut back those services and make sure the teachers get their raises. Whatever they spend for adult ESOL services should also be cut. Why is FCPS even offering that?

Because it’s better for society if they learn English? Were you born stupid or were you dropped on your head or what?

Or they can go to school in their home countries and learn in their native language.

This is the point. If here illegally, they should not benefit from legal residents' taxes. If here legally, they chose to come here and are responsible for their own integration into society, including acquiring language skills necessary for assimilation. It should not be the responsibility of federal, state, or local governments to facilitate their assimilation when they moved here of their own volition.

How do you think a 5 year old can be responsible for their own integration into society? Are you that stupid? And just how many foreign languages do you speak well enough to graduate from high school or college with it? I'm guessing zero.

That 5-year old illegal is not my problem, except to the extent the County raises my taxes so he can be educated on my dime. If he's documented, he's still not my problem. His parents can teach him, or can pay for classes - they should not have immigrated with the expectation that their host country would bear the cost of raising their children beyond what native English speakers receive in the way of public education.

+1. They need to go back.