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Anonymous wrote:Anybody looking at these numbers for more than 10 min with a critical thinking hat on should know these are just the number of SS accounts currently active. But Elon misrepresents this as the number of people in each age bracket who are currently receiving payments, so everyone in the comments and even Faux News is OMG there's massive fraud!

However, OIG already did a report on this several years ago in which they concluded the cost associated with marking the dead people as dead was cost prohibitive as only a few age 100+ were actually receiving any benefits. The people in question either died decades ago and were not reported, or had been issued multiple SS numbers and only one was marked as deceased.

https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf

Wait, what? The cost of correcting a DATA TABLE is 'cost prohibitive'? What kind of Rube Goldberg machine are they running over there!

I'm beginning to understand the other thing Musk tweeted:

"The logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks INSANE. No one person actually knows how it works. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled. It’s wild," Musk declared in a post on X.

I don't work there but my impression from the OIG report was that people would have to go in individually to each file to mark someone dead. That pulls that person off other projects and costs money to pay them. Like others have said, Elon should probably take a moment to learn how the system operates before declaring mass fraud.

This. It isn't worth the time to make the fix because it doesn't impact the operations of the systems. At some point currently or in the future, the systems will be upgraded from the COBAL environment to something newer, so why not use the regular federal procurement process to guide the requirements and implementation?

A terrible excuse!

Why? Do you want to pay people at a rate of $150 an hour to delete/update individual tables for data that otherwise has zero impact on the integrity of the system? If the goal is to save money, then why have that as an expenditure?

Anonymous wrote:This is not proof. Nothing he posts is proof. I can post a screenshot of an excel table to "back up" any dumbass statement I say. Anyone can do that.

We. Want. Proof.

Do I think SS is perfect and free from fraud? Nope. Do I believe that there's even 1% of the total SS payments disbursed that are fraud? No, I think the number is well under 1% of total payments disbursed.

Also, I saw a guy on IG familiar with the system post how Musk's Minions are looking at the system and Musky & Big Balls are bigger morons than initially believed because they're reading the system wrong. I'm not a coder so I'm not going to pretend to be able to explain it, but the way he explained it make perfect sense as to how they are coming up with the date 1875 and some people being 150 yrs old.

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody looking at these numbers for more than 10 min with a critical thinking hat on should know these are just the number of SS accounts currently active. But Elon misrepresents this as the number of people in each age bracket who are currently receiving payments, so everyone in the comments and even Faux News is OMG there's massive fraud!

However, OIG already did a report on this several years ago in which they concluded the cost associated with marking the dead people as dead was cost prohibitive as only a few age 100+ were actually receiving any benefits. The people in question either died decades ago and were not reported, or had been issued multiple SS numbers and only one was marked as deceased.

https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf

Wait, what? The cost of correcting a DATA TABLE is 'cost prohibitive'? What kind of Rube Goldberg machine are they running over there!

I'm beginning to understand the other thing Musk tweeted:

"The logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks INSANE. No one person actually knows how it works. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled. It’s wild," Musk declared in a post on X.

I don't work there but my impression from the OIG report was that people would have to go in individually to each file to mark someone dead. That pulls that person off other projects and costs money to pay them. Like others have said, Elon should probably take a moment to learn how the system operates before declaring mass fraud.

This. It isn't worth the time to make the fix because it doesn't impact the operations of the systems. At some point currently or in the future, the systems will be upgraded from the COBAL environment to something newer, so why not use the regular federal procurement process to guide the requirements and implementation?

A terrible excuse!

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody looking at these numbers for more than 10 min with a critical thinking hat on should know these are just the number of SS accounts currently active. But Elon misrepresents this as the number of people in each age bracket who are currently receiving payments, so everyone in the comments and even Faux News is OMG there's massive fraud!

However, OIG already did a report on this several years ago in which they concluded the cost associated with marking the dead people as dead was cost prohibitive as only a few age 100+ were actually receiving any benefits. The people in question either died decades ago and were not reported, or had been issued multiple SS numbers and only one was marked as deceased.

https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf

Wait, what? The cost of correcting a DATA TABLE is 'cost prohibitive'? What kind of Rube Goldberg machine are they running over there!

I'm beginning to understand the other thing Musk tweeted:

"The logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks INSANE. No one person actually knows how it works. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled. It’s wild," Musk declared in a post on X.

I don't work there but my impression from the OIG report was that people would have to go in individually to each file to mark someone dead. That pulls that person off other projects and costs money to pay them. Like others have said, Elon should probably take a moment to learn how the system operates before declaring mass fraud.

This. It isn't worth the time to make the fix because it doesn't impact the operations of the systems. At some point currently or in the future, the systems will be upgraded from the COBAL environment to something newer, so why not use the regular federal procurement process to guide the requirements and implementation?

Anonymous wrote:I remember the first month of a job I ran a query that made it seem like we should be anticipating $x over what was budgeted. I ran to my boss and showed him my discovery with pride.

Turns out there was a flag in the data that I didn’t account for and revenue was actually $x short of what was projected.

I learned my lesson that it takes months/years to understand a dataset before making grand explanations.

Anonymous wrote:Good. If this agency is sending out checks to 150-300 year old the whole place should be fired. Anyone supporting this is a total moron.

Anonymous wrote:Good. If this agency is sending out checks to 150-300 year old the whole place should be fired. Anyone supporting this is a total moron.

Anonymous wrote:This is not proof. Nothing he posts is proof. I can post a screenshot of an excel table to "back up" any dumbass statement I say. Anyone can do that.

We. Want. Proof.

Do I think SS is perfect and free from fraud? Nope. Do I believe that there's even 1% of the total SS payments disbursed that are fraud? No, I think the number is well under 1% of total payments disbursed.

Also, I saw a guy on IG familiar with the system post how Musk's Minions are looking at the system and Musky & Big Balls are bigger morons than initially believed because they're reading the system wrong. I'm not a coder so I'm not going to pretend to be able to explain it, but the way he explained it make perfect sense as to how they are coming up with the date 1875 and some people being 150 yrs old.

Anonymous wrote:Irene Tripplet, the last surviving dependent of a Civil War veteran, died in 2020. Someone born in 1875 could have obtained a SS number. Now suppose they fathered a child in 1950 (I had a friend in college whose father was over 75 when she was born, Al Pacino fathered a child at 83 and Robert De Niro at 79). Later, dad dies, child is still underage and gets benefits. Child develops a disability before reaching adulthood, or was born with one. Child is now 75 and collecting survivor benefits under the father's SS account.

SS has methods it already uses to determine if beneficiaries are still alive. If you do not use Medicare for 3 or more years and are 90 or older, they check.

I can't figure out if Elon is an airhead or is deliberately lying. Inclined to this a little of the former and a lot of the latter. Kinda like his "boss."

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Anonymous wrote:He’s laying the groundwork to halt social security checks with a new conspiracy that tens of millions of beneficiaries are actually dead:

Death field set to false== people in that age category who are not dead. That is, people who re alive. So my very much alive parents are in the “death flag set to false” list he has.

It doesn’t even look like his query shows how many people are alive and getting DC/DWB/SSI/SSDI/RSI. Although Kids do get SSI and premies at a certain point automatically get SSI (but only for a year or 2 absent a lifelong disability). As do very low IQs in kids, etc. But the young kids number is too high. It looks to me like he just ran a query to find all alive Americans— not even all alive Americans getting benefits from SSA. And remember— lots of kids also get benefits because a parent died, etc, even if they are healthy.



The correct question is how many “death flag false” people are, in fact, dead AND have someone getting DC/DWB/SSI/SSDI/ RSI in their name. This chart doesn’t answer that question. Because if SSA knew they were dead, they’d stop payment and change the flag to true and collect overpayment.

Sad! That Mr. Engineering Marvel can’t red COBOL (yep. Out ddabases are running on late 1970s tech) and doesn’t understand how to run or read a query. And has proven there a millions of people in the US who are alive and have SSNs

TL;DR: Elon is a Moron who cannot read a basic dataset.

Also, get TF out of our databases. Especially if you can read the data correctly.

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody looking at these numbers for more than 10 min with a critical thinking hat on should know these are just the number of SS accounts currently active. But Elon misrepresents this as the number of people in each age bracket who are currently receiving payments, so everyone in the comments and even Faux News is OMG there's massive fraud!

However, OIG already did a report on this several years ago in which they concluded the cost associated with marking the dead people as dead was cost prohibitive as only a few age 100+ were actually receiving any benefits. The people in question either died decades ago and were not reported, or had been issued multiple SS numbers and only one was marked as deceased.

https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf

Wait, what? The cost of correcting a DATA TABLE is 'cost prohibitive'? What kind of Rube Goldberg machine are they running over there!

I'm beginning to understand the other thing Musk tweeted:

"The logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks INSANE. No one person actually knows how it works. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled. It’s wild," Musk declared in a post on X.

He is lying and gaslighting. When will you people understand that? He isn't a brilliant tactitian, but rather a rich guy who started on third based and got money from nefarious sources to co-opt existing businesses and ideas. He had little to do with innnovation at PayPal and had less than zero to do with Spacex or Tesla.

Then why is it 'cost prohibitive' to correct data that lists 150+ yo people? Seems like something someone should have fixed a long time ago, or maybe NO ONE EVER NOTICED.

There’s an IG report about it. They noticed. It doesn’t actually matter because they aren’t getting paid.

The social security payment system should be replaced then. This isn't 1980 anymore. Just read the OIG recommendation - they said to fix it, but SSA disagreed.