Anonymous wrote:Then just go to PG county.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

My old college roommate moved to Canada. 1. when you are in need of a non emergent surgery (in her case a surgery she needed on her knee but it wasn’t an “emergency”) you get put on a waiting list. you have no control over who your surgeon is. She got her surgery after a year. 2. apparently finding a pediatrician is like the hunger games. There are simply not enough. She was lucky and found a pediatrician when her child was born but then he retired. She spent so many hours calling places and they weren’t accepting any new patients. It was an actual crisis. She eventually did find one. If you think free healthcare is everything you are imagining you are very wrong. It’s great when you have an emergency or a chronic illness. Not so much for any other circumstance.

But at least she doesn't have to worry about healthcare being unemployed.

I have Canadian coworkers, living in Canada, and they made some comment about how crazy the US was that they don't offer paid maternity leave or free healthcare, especially for children and pregnant women. How's that for prolife?

We have healthcare for low income pregnant women and children (and low income is fairly generous). How ill-informed are you?

Anonymous wrote:I’ve got kids, and DC is expensive, if I lose my job my partner and I are open to just moving somewhere cheap, warm with a stable quality of life and potentially more affordable private schools. My partner could telework for her job.

A few choices:
1) Costa Rica
2) Coronado, Panama
3) Lisbon, Portugal

Anyone else have any ideas of random places like this? We’d rent out our house and have a few other properties to help pay for it. This would probably be for a few years with random trips back to check on our home base of dc.

Anonymous wrote:What about healthcare and insurance?
Puerto Rico. Key West or somewhere there. It's not the bad Florida.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

My old college roommate moved to Canada. 1. when you are in need of a non emergent surgery (in her case a surgery she needed on her knee but it wasn’t an “emergency”) you get put on a waiting list. you have no control over who your surgeon is. She got her surgery after a year. 2. apparently finding a pediatrician is like the hunger games. There are simply not enough. She was lucky and found a pediatrician when her child was born but then he retired. She spent so many hours calling places and they weren’t accepting any new patients. It was an actual crisis. She eventually did find one. If you think free healthcare is everything you are imagining you are very wrong. It’s great when you have an emergency or a chronic illness. Not so much for any other circumstance.

But at least she doesn't have to worry about healthcare being unemployed.

I have Canadian coworkers, living in Canada, and they made some comment about how crazy the US was that they don't offer paid maternity leave or free healthcare, especially for children and pregnant women. How's that for prolife?

Anonymous wrote:Why not just go to a southern state?

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english.

Or, you could learn the local language and not be an ugly American. If your husband is working and you are not, what are you doing ll day? Study!

It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

My old college roommate moved to Canada. 1. when you are in need of a non emergent surgery (in her case a surgery she needed on her knee but it wasn’t an “emergency”) you get put on a waiting list. you have no control over who your surgeon is. She got her surgery after a year. 2. apparently finding a pediatrician is like the hunger games. There are simply not enough. She was lucky and found a pediatrician when her child was born but then he retired. She spent so many hours calling places and they weren’t accepting any new patients. It was an actual crisis. She eventually did find one. If you think free healthcare is everything you are imagining you are very wrong. It’s great when you have an emergency or a chronic illness. Not so much for any other circumstance.

Health systems work differently in other countries and not finding a pediatrician isn’t necessarily a big deal. In many places, you take children to GPs or family doctors, not pediatricians. In many countries, there is some form of health insurance. Please don’t assume everyone relies on free healthcare.

I grew up here in the US and never went to a pediatrician. We went to our "family doctor." Pediatricians are specialists.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english.

Or, you could learn the local language and not be an ugly American. If your husband is working and you are not, what are you doing ll day? Study!

It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

My old college roommate moved to Canada. 1. when you are in need of a non emergent surgery (in her case a surgery she needed on her knee but it wasn’t an “emergency”) you get put on a waiting list. you have no control over who your surgeon is. She got her surgery after a year. 2. apparently finding a pediatrician is like the hunger games. There are simply not enough. She was lucky and found a pediatrician when her child was born but then he retired. She spent so many hours calling places and they weren’t accepting any new patients. It was an actual crisis. She eventually did find one. If you think free healthcare is everything you are imagining you are very wrong. It’s great when you have an emergency or a chronic illness. Not so much for any other circumstance.

Health systems work differently in other countries and not finding a pediatrician isn’t necessarily a big deal. In many places, you take children to GPs or family doctors, not pediatricians. In many countries, there is some form of health insurance. Please don’t assume everyone relies on free healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote:Digital nomad visa is your best bet but most are one year (though you can try to renew); Ecuador is 2 years.

I would look into Argentina and Uruguay as well esp for private international schools.

The best private international schools in South America, hands down, are in Sao Paulo. And an investment visa is easy. Buy a property worth USD 175,000 in Sao Paulo and you are good to go. Half of that if you buy it up in the north of the country.

I work with affluent, educated Brazilians who would rather have good paying jobs in flyover country in the US than live in Brazil.

Really? My Brazilian friends are all MDs and engineers who have trained in the US and would much prefer Brazil.

I would choose Brazil or Argentina. I speak both Portuguese and Spanish and have spend significant time in both countries. Interesting how many ex-pats and retirees are there.

PP. My coworkers are businesspeople/MBAs.

They seem to fear crime and pollution.

Our employer is a household brand in the US and Brazil.

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Anonymous wrote:Digital nomad visa is your best bet but most are one year (though you can try to renew); Ecuador is 2 years.

I would look into Argentina and Uruguay as well esp for private international schools.

The best private international schools in South America, hands down, are in Sao Paulo. And an investment visa is easy. Buy a property worth USD 175,000 in Sao Paulo and you are good to go. Half of that if you buy it up in the north of the country.

I work with affluent, educated Brazilians who would rather have good paying jobs in flyover country in the US than live in Brazil.

Really? My Brazilian friends are all MDs and engineers who have trained in the US and would much prefer Brazil.

I would choose Brazil or Argentina. I speak both Portuguese and Spanish and have spend significant time in both countries. Interesting how many ex-pats and retirees are there.