Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 05:48     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No more FAFSA, so good luck getting aid.

That authority would move back to the Treasury Department.

Also closing DOE entirely would require a supermajority of 60 senators, meaning some Dems would need to join all the Reps, which is unlikely to happen.


+1. All 47 Dems + Collins + Murkowski + McConnell + one extra GOP Senator would be enough to keep DoED alive


Does that sound doable with the Republicans in the Senate? I don't think you could count on McConnell and who would be the one extra?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 00:30     Subject: Re:With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What does DOE even do? Just because it exists doesn't mean it should exist forever. Where's the value add?


There has been no marked increase in test scores/educational achievement at the K-12 level since DOE was establish in 1980, so the money hasn't helped there.


For all we know it has helped them not to collapse completely.



DOE's new motto: "We prevent achievement levels from dropping too much!"
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 00:20     Subject: Re:With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What does DOE even do? Just because it exists doesn't mean it should exist forever. Where's the value add?


There has been no marked increase in test scores/educational achievement at the K-12 level since DOE was establish in 1980, so the money hasn't helped there.


For all we know it has helped them not to collapse completely.

Anonymous
Post 02/05/2025 00:03     Subject: Re:With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Here's data on achievment since 1970 directly from DOE. This is actually one case where DOE is definitely useful -- tracking national trends on educational achievement.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

But look at the numbers -- scroll down to the more detailed section (Section II). Every single group -- Asians, Black, Hispanic, White -- has seen a decline in reading and math scores since 2012.

How do we measure that DOE's mission is successful? Here's their mission statement:
"ED's mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access."

Are they doing it well? I guess one could argue the scores could have declined even more without DOE...
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:56     Subject: Re:With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:What does DOE even do? Just because it exists doesn't mean it should exist forever. Where's the value add?


There has been no marked increase in test scores/educational achievement at the K-12 level since DOE was establish in 1980, so the money hasn't helped there.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:54     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
The DOE is the department of energy. You scared me for a second.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:50     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a former ED official. The ED has always been a bloated, useless agency (Thanks, Carter). What you don't understand is that when the agency was created, every useless staffer or lawyer in other agencies were sent to ED, which is how I ended up managing over 100 staff and lawyers much later. I can't begin to tell you how dysfunctional they were. I had one lawyer who reported to me who spent ALL of his work hours doing FOIA requests to
learn why he hadn't earned "superior" on his last review. We tried to hint that perhaps that was because he did nothing substantive for ED. but he couldn't be fired. Every single program at ED can be 1) contracted out; 2) sent back to HHS (where ED matters were at HEW before ED was created by Carter): or, better yet 3) sent back to the states, who are, after all, closer to constituents so can bettet determine their needs. And, no, I'm not a Trumper.


I don’t believe you. This is an anonymous post and you have zero credibility.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:43     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Programs that create unemployable graduates like gender studies will be shuttered. Students will have to find employable majors and work hard or join the Democratic party. Nothing changes for tenured professors unless they do something illegal, which, given how loony they got, cannot be ruled out.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:42     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No more FAFSA, so good luck getting aid.

That authority would move back to the Treasury Department.

Also closing DOE entirely would require a supermajority of 60 senators, meaning some Dems would need to join all the Reps, which is unlikely to happen.


+1. All 47 Dems + Collins + Murkowski + McConnell + one extra GOP Senator would be enough to keep DoED alive
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:10     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Jeebus guys. The president does not have a budgetary line item veto. This is all pretty illegal (not criminal, illegal)
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:07     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No more FAFSA, so good luck getting aid.

That authority would move back to the Treasury Department.

Also closing DOE entirely would require a supermajority of 60 senators, meaning some Dems would need to join all the Reps, which is unlikely to happen.

I have a feeling I know who you voted for. If you think they would go this far to shutter the DOE just for the services to be performed by another department, I have a bridge to sell you. They want less children in college, especially poor ones.


College is woke. All use the same bathroom at college. Stay away.

Can your DC get into the schools we commonly talk about here? I don't see any hillbillies at my Alma mater.


I guess you didn't get into Yale Law.


Sure, Jan.

DP


DP

I think he's referring to hillbilly elegy. JD vance went to yale law
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 23:04     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No more FAFSA, so good luck getting aid.

That authority would move back to the Treasury Department.

Also closing DOE entirely would require a supermajority of 60 senators, meaning some Dems would need to join all the Reps, which is unlikely to happen.

Where six 19-24 year old coders have the keys. Cool, cool.

Education Department makes sure schools are complying with IDEA and other federal laws (including anti-discrimination laws). Without them, oversight probably reverts to the states.

They collect data about school performance, but we can just leave that to US News, right? Your representatives won't get government data to guide them on education legislation, they'll just read parent reviews on GreatSchools.com. I'm sure it'll be fine.

That NEAP report that was just in the news last week? That's done by a division of the Dept of Ed.


There a re civil rights divisions in almost every department. Why can't we centralize it all at justice?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 22:32     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seriously, OP, the RANKINGS are your foremost concern if DOE is shuttered?

Second most concern. I'm worried about funding for research. I have a feeling it might not last for medicine and engineering heavy schools.


This 1000%! PHD students will struggle to have their programs funded. There is a reason we have some of the Top universities in the world, and well funded meaningful research is a huge part of that


I am worried that T will direct federal funds to red state schools where complicit governors actively take information out of course content or skew it towards political ends to support a focus on validating the few and culling of others. That is essentially what the anti-DEI initiative points towards. Ignore racism, history of slavery, benefits of diverse viewpoints, sexism in society, accessibility, etc. Sound familiar? Next will be evolution and any science related to climate.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 22:27     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a former ED official. The ED has always been a bloated, useless agency (Thanks, Carter). What you don't understand is that when the agency was created, every useless staffer or lawyer in other agencies were sent to ED, which is how I ended up managing over 100 staff and lawyers much later. I can't begin to tell you how dysfunctional they were. I had one lawyer who reported to me who spent ALL of his work hours doing FOIA requests to
learn why he hadn't earned "superior" on his last review. We tried to hint that perhaps that was because he did nothing substantive for ED. but he couldn't be fired. Every single program at ED can be 1) contracted out; 2) sent back to HHS (where ED matters were at HEW before ED was created by Carter): or, better yet 3) sent back to the states, who are, after all, closer to constituents so can bettet determine their needs. And, no, I'm not a Trumper.


This is the disheartening part of the whole exercise. I'm also not a Trumper but before this I never understood just how much bloat there is in government.



And you still have no idea because you are just basing your opinion on an anonymous random.


DP Agreed. One which is probably fictitious at that. Of course there is some bloat with some people being ineffective, but that doesn't detract from the majority of work done. Should all of NNMC shut down because there are some admin assts or HR people who don't pull there wait?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2025 22:19     Subject: With the DOE being shuttered, How will it affect colleges?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No more FAFSA, so good luck getting aid.

That authority would move back to the Treasury Department.

Also closing DOE entirely would require a supermajority of 60 senators, meaning some Dems would need to join all the Reps, which is unlikely to happen.

Where six 19-24 year old coders have the keys. Cool, cool.

Education Department makes sure schools are complying with IDEA and other federal laws (including anti-discrimination laws). Without them, oversight probably reverts to the states.

They collect data about school performance, but we can just leave that to US News, right? Your representatives won't get government data to guide them on education legislation, they'll just read parent reviews on GreatSchools.com. I'm sure it'll be fine.

That NEAP report that was just in the news last week? That's done by a division of the Dept of Ed.


No, IDEA woukd go back to HHS (which was called HEW before it was split to create HHS and ED under Carter. Federal loans can go there, treasury or outsourced. Very eaay to do .