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Anonymous wrote:Lifelong Catholic here. I’m in my 50s and seriously considering leaving the church. MAGA is destroying the church from the inside out. Nationally, Catholics voted for Trump by a 15 point margin. Trump goes against everything I thought the church stood for. MAGA actively seek to be cruel. They are focused on wealth and power instead of caring for fellow man and for the environment. I still have faith but I don’t have anything in common with the people around me in the pews. It makes me very sad.

As someone else noted, Church-shopping might benefit you. There has got to be one more centrist or left-leaning parish where you live.

Keep in mind of all Catholics only 30% go to mass on a regular basis and those tend to be the most conservative. The Church has decided not to address the spiritual needs of the other 70% bc they are not the right kind of Catholic. Yet, that does not prevent these same people from self-identifying as Catholic.

The Church offers everything needed for salvation, and more, in countless locations and via countless modes and avenues. If someone is not getting their spiritual needs met, it is because they are not practicing the tenets of the Faith they purport to profess.

So of course it's not the right wing clerics who have failed us. It's the individual's fault for questioning their myopia and prejudices.

Catholic teaching is neither “myopic” nor “bigoted,” and no person even passingly familiar with its content and development over the centuries would suggest the contrary. People who in effect voluntarily excommunicate themselves because of their own introduction of secular politics into matters of Faith can hardly blame “right wing clerics,” or anyone else.

Yes, some of Catholic teaching is myopic and bigoted. Failure to think critically is not an admirable trait.

“Is not. Is TOO” hardly constitutes rational argument.

Precisely what in Catholic teaching is “myopic” or “bigoted,” and why?

Dear non-catholic pp - I strongly suggest that you do not attempt to answer catholic pp's questions. They have already decided that you're wrong and will have silly responses.

Except I am Catholic and I work for the Catholic Church. Understand that we have these insufferable RWNJs who hide behind church dogma to desperately create structure in their lives and who want to chase away anyone left-leaning.

Name calling is so puerile.

Glad to see that there are Catholics who can see through Vance.

Now that includes the Pope—

Likewise, Jesus Christ, loving everyone with a universal love, educates us in the permanent recognition of the dignity of every human being, without exception. In fact, when we speak of "infinite and transcendent dignity," we wish to emphasize that the most decisive value possessed by the human person surpasses and sustains every other juridical consideration that can be made to regulate life in society.

Thus, all the Christian faithful and people of good will are called upon to consider the legitimacy of norms and public policies in the light of the dignity of the person and his or her fundamental rights, not vice versa.
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Christians know very well that it is only by affirming the infinite dignity of all that our own identity as persons and as communities reaches its maturity. Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups. In other words: the human person is not a mere individual, relatively expansive, with some philanthropic feelings! The human person is a subject with dignity who, through the constitutive relationship with all, especially with the poorest, can gradually mature in his identity and vocation. The trueordo amoristhat must be promoted is that which we discover by meditating constantly on the parable of the "Good Samaritan" (cf.Lk10:25-37), that is, by meditating on the love that builds a fraternity open to all, without exception (3)

7. But worrying about personal, community or national identity, apart from these considerations, easily introduces an ideological criterion that distorts social life and imposes the will of the strongest as the criterion of truth.
8. I recognize your valuable efforts, dear brother bishops of the United States, as you work closely with migrants and refugees, proclaiming Jesus Christ and promoting fundamental human rights. God will richly reward all that you do for the protection and defense of those who are considered less valuable, less important or less human!

9. I exhort all the faithful of the Catholic Church, and all men and women of good will, not to give in to narratives that discriminate against and cause unnecessary suffering to our migrant and refugee brothers and sisters. With charity and clarity we are all called to live in solidarity and fraternity, to build bridges that bring us ever closer together, to avoid walls of ignominy and to learn to give our lives as Jesus Christ gave his for the salvation of all.

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Anonymous wrote:Lifelong Catholic here. I’m in my 50s and seriously considering leaving the church. MAGA is destroying the church from the inside out. Nationally, Catholics voted for Trump by a 15 point margin. Trump goes against everything I thought the church stood for. MAGA actively seek to be cruel. They are focused on wealth and power instead of caring for fellow man and for the environment. I still have faith but I don’t have anything in common with the people around me in the pews. It makes me very sad.

As someone else noted, Church-shopping might benefit you. There has got to be one more centrist or left-leaning parish where you live.

Keep in mind of all Catholics only 30% go to mass on a regular basis and those tend to be the most conservative. The Church has decided not to address the spiritual needs of the other 70% bc they are not the right kind of Catholic. Yet, that does not prevent these same people from self-identifying as Catholic.

The Church offers everything needed for salvation, and more, in countless locations and via countless modes and avenues. If someone is not getting their spiritual needs met, it is because they are not practicing the tenets of the Faith they purport to profess.

So of course it's not the right wing clerics who have failed us. It's the individual's fault for questioning their myopia and prejudices.

Catholic teaching is neither “myopic” nor “bigoted,” and no person even passingly familiar with its content and development over the centuries would suggest the contrary. People who in effect voluntarily excommunicate themselves because of their own introduction of secular politics into matters of Faith can hardly blame “right wing clerics,” or anyone else.

Yes, some of Catholic teaching is myopic and bigoted. Failure to think critically is not an admirable trait.

“Is not. Is TOO” hardly constitutes rational argument.

Precisely what in Catholic teaching is “myopic” or “bigoted,” and why?

Dear non-catholic pp - I strongly suggest that you do not attempt to answer catholic pp's questions. They have already decided that you're wrong and will have silly responses.

Except I am Catholic and I work for the Catholic Church. Understand that we have these insufferable RWNJs who hide behind church dogma to desperately create structure in their lives and who want to chase away anyone left-leaning.

Name calling is so puerile.

Glad to see that there are Catholics who can see through Vance.

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Anonymous wrote:Lifelong Catholic here. I’m in my 50s and seriously considering leaving the church. MAGA is destroying the church from the inside out. Nationally, Catholics voted for Trump by a 15 point margin. Trump goes against everything I thought the church stood for. MAGA actively seek to be cruel. They are focused on wealth and power instead of caring for fellow man and for the environment. I still have faith but I don’t have anything in common with the people around me in the pews. It makes me very sad.

As someone else noted, Church-shopping might benefit you. There has got to be one more centrist or left-leaning parish where you live.

Keep in mind of all Catholics only 30% go to mass on a regular basis and those tend to be the most conservative. The Church has decided not to address the spiritual needs of the other 70% bc they are not the right kind of Catholic. Yet, that does not prevent these same people from self-identifying as Catholic.

The Church offers everything needed for salvation, and more, in countless locations and via countless modes and avenues. If someone is not getting their spiritual needs met, it is because they are not practicing the tenets of the Faith they purport to profess.

So of course it's not the right wing clerics who have failed us. It's the individual's fault for questioning their myopia and prejudices.

Catholic teaching is neither “myopic” nor “bigoted,” and no person even passingly familiar with its content and development over the centuries would suggest the contrary. People who in effect voluntarily excommunicate themselves because of their own introduction of secular politics into matters of Faith can hardly blame “right wing clerics,” or anyone else.

Yes, some of Catholic teaching is myopic and bigoted. Failure to think critically is not an admirable trait.

“Is not. Is TOO” hardly constitutes rational argument.

Precisely what in Catholic teaching is “myopic” or “bigoted,” and why?

Dear non-catholic pp - I strongly suggest that you do not attempt to answer catholic pp's questions. They have already decided that you're wrong and will have silly responses.

Except I am Catholic and I work for the Catholic Church. Understand that we have these insufferable RWNJs who hide behind church dogma to desperately create structure in their lives and who want to chase away anyone left-leaning.

Name calling is so puerile.

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Anonymous wrote:Lifelong Catholic here. I’m in my 50s and seriously considering leaving the church. MAGA is destroying the church from the inside out. Nationally, Catholics voted for Trump by a 15 point margin. Trump goes against everything I thought the church stood for. MAGA actively seek to be cruel. They are focused on wealth and power instead of caring for fellow man and for the environment. I still have faith but I don’t have anything in common with the people around me in the pews. It makes me very sad.

As someone else noted, Church-shopping might benefit you. There has got to be one more centrist or left-leaning parish where you live.

Keep in mind of all Catholics only 30% go to mass on a regular basis and those tend to be the most conservative. The Church has decided not to address the spiritual needs of the other 70% bc they are not the right kind of Catholic. Yet, that does not prevent these same people from self-identifying as Catholic.

The Church offers everything needed for salvation, and more, in countless locations and via countless modes and avenues. If someone is not getting their spiritual needs met, it is because they are not practicing the tenets of the Faith they purport to profess.

So of course it's not the right wing clerics who have failed us. It's the individual's fault for questioning their myopia and prejudices.

Catholic teaching is neither “myopic” nor “bigoted,” and no person even passingly familiar with its content and development over the centuries would suggest the contrary. People who in effect voluntarily excommunicate themselves because of their own introduction of secular politics into matters of Faith can hardly blame “right wing clerics,” or anyone else.

Yes, some of Catholic teaching is myopic and bigoted. Failure to think critically is not an admirable trait.

“Is not. Is TOO” hardly constitutes rational argument.

Precisely what in Catholic teaching is “myopic” or “bigoted,” and why?

Dear non-catholic pp - I strongly suggest that you do not attempt to answer catholic pp's questions. They have already decided that you're wrong and will have silly responses.

Except I am Catholic and I work for the Catholic Church. Understand that we have these insufferable RWNJs who hide behind church dogma to desperately create structure in their lives and who want to chase away anyone left-leaning.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, I’m sorry, have you called for the excommunication of each and every pedophile and each and every member of the church who willingly covered it up?

I detest J.D. Vance, but he is literally the least of your “Church’s” problems, as far as I’ve concerned.

Keep donating to pay for the defense of pedophiles, though, you massive hypocrite.

I’m not OP but yes, I have.

So you left the church, because they did not meet your demands, and you don’t want your donations paying for their defense? Good for you!

There was no mention of leaving the Church, just of not supporting pedophiles.

If you are a member of the Catholic Church, you support pedophiles. You listen to them preach (or you listen to someone preach who has helped with a cover-up), your donations are used to defend pedophiles, your very presence says, “I am OK with widespread pedophilia and the cover-up and defense thereof.”



[Excuses.]

No, you can’t be a dues-paying member of the KKK but “I’m not racist because I don’t use the n-word and burn crosses.”

[b]Every religious organization has protected pedophiles so I guess the only solution is be an atheist[/b].

Meanwhile your taxes go to support public schools that protect pedophiles so you are also complicit.

Sounds good to me. Also, you can just stop going to church and stop being a paying member.

And no, pp is not complicit by paying taxes. We all have to pay taxes.