Anonymous
01/23/2025 11:16
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Isn’t it amazing how outraged some people are when others decide to consume less and some people participate in boycotts?
Whether you simply want to consume less, or whether you want to fight back at the emerging authoritarian regime, don’t be dissuaded by these shrewish voices. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t be in here pecking at us.
Meta is suppressing abortion information. We are done with META. It is hard but we choose to do it because it’s part of this:
Just spam this everywhere!
Tennessee Republicans reject bill to allow raped children 12 and under to abort up to 10 weeks https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/04/03/tennessee-lawmakers-must-understand-rape-when-drafting-exceptions-to-abortion-ban/
Idaho Republicans vote to provide no exception to save the life of the mother, even if she is a minor https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/07/16/no-exception-for-life-of-mother-included-in-idaho-gops-abortion-platform-language/#:~:text=By%20a%20nearly%20four%2Dto,abortion%20to%20save%20her%20life
South Carolina Republicans propose death penalty for women and up to life sentences for children who receive abortions, including victims of rape and/or incest https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/14/south-carolina-bill-abortion-death-penalty/11471997002/
Idaho criminalizes helping minors travel out of state to get an abortion https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/idaho-criminalizes-helping-minors-travel-out-of-state-to-get-an-abortion
Idaho senator proposes bill to remove rape, incest exceptions from abortion laws https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/capitol-watch/local-idaho-senator-proposes-bill-remove-rape-incest-clause-from-abortion-laws/277-d1ceb554-ba01-4ed0-971a-594ceeee1632
Ohio Republican Warren Davidson publicly supports forcing raped 12-year-old to give birth: "You don't know you were raped for 2 months?" https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/06/27/warren-davidson-child-rape-victim-pregnancy-abortion-supreme-court-brown-nr-sot-vpx.cnn
Affidavits: More pregnant minors who were raped denied Ohio abortions Documents describe dozens of painful situations under Ohio abortion restrictions https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/09/22/affidavits-more-pregnant-minors-who-were-raped-denied-ohio-abortions/
In 2021, Ohio’s Children’s Advocacy Centers saw 6,717 cases of sexual abuse against Ohioans between infancy and adulthood. And in 2020, the most recent year for which statistics are available, 571 girls aged 17 or younger received abortions in Ohio, according to the state department of health. Fifty-two of them — or one a week — were 14 or younger. https://odh.ohio.gov/know-our-programs/vital-statistics/resources/vs-abortionreport2020
Indiana Republican attorney general Todd Rokita asks medical board to discipline doctor who provided abortion for 10-year-old rape victim https://apnews.com/article/abortion-biden-health-indianapolis-indiana-e73ecf4f60ed68f1ad1d11db7c223359
Rep. Cindy Crawford, R-Fort Smith of Arkansas publicly defends forcing young children to give birth, even if potentially fatal https://www.reddit.com/r/WelcomeToGilead/comments/128o9m2/video_of_arkansas_decision_on_child_rape_amendment/
Republican Sen. Mike Moon reiterates support for 12-year-old's right to marry in Missouri https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/12/sen-mike-moon-reiterates-support-for-12-year-olds-right-to-marry-missouri-senate/70107573007/
Tennessee Republican Tom Leatherwood sponsors bill to remove marriage age limit https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/a-get-out-of-jail-free-card-gop-bill-would-eliminate-age-requirements-for-marriages-in-tennessee/
A Kentucky Republican has introduced legislation that would force 13 year olds and older to give birth to their cousin's rape baby.
https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/24rs/hb269.html
The amendment would reduce the designation of incest by contact to a Class D felony for some cases "unless it is committed with a person who is less than twelve years of age," in which case it is Class C.
ID, KS and MO AGs in abortion pill lawsuit argue fewer teen pregnancies hurt states financially
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2024/10/23/missouri-ag-in-abortion-pill-lawsuit-argues-fewer-teen-pregnancies-hurt-state-financially/
Whether you simply want to consume less, or whether you want to fight back at the emerging authoritarian regime, don’t be dissuaded by these shrewish voices. If it didn’t matter they wouldn’t be in here pecking at us.
Meta is suppressing abortion information. We are done with META. It is hard but we choose to do it because it’s part of this:
Just spam this everywhere!
Tennessee Republicans reject bill to allow raped children 12 and under to abort up to 10 weeks https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/04/03/tennessee-lawmakers-must-understand-rape-when-drafting-exceptions-to-abortion-ban/
Idaho Republicans vote to provide no exception to save the life of the mother, even if she is a minor https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/07/16/no-exception-for-life-of-mother-included-in-idaho-gops-abortion-platform-language/#:~:text=By%20a%20nearly%20four%2Dto,abortion%20to%20save%20her%20life
South Carolina Republicans propose death penalty for women and up to life sentences for children who receive abortions, including victims of rape and/or incest https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/14/south-carolina-bill-abortion-death-penalty/11471997002/
Idaho criminalizes helping minors travel out of state to get an abortion https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/idaho-criminalizes-helping-minors-travel-out-of-state-to-get-an-abortion
Idaho senator proposes bill to remove rape, incest exceptions from abortion laws https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/capitol-watch/local-idaho-senator-proposes-bill-remove-rape-incest-clause-from-abortion-laws/277-d1ceb554-ba01-4ed0-971a-594ceeee1632
Ohio Republican Warren Davidson publicly supports forcing raped 12-year-old to give birth: "You don't know you were raped for 2 months?" https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/06/27/warren-davidson-child-rape-victim-pregnancy-abortion-supreme-court-brown-nr-sot-vpx.cnn
Affidavits: More pregnant minors who were raped denied Ohio abortions Documents describe dozens of painful situations under Ohio abortion restrictions https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/09/22/affidavits-more-pregnant-minors-who-were-raped-denied-ohio-abortions/
In 2021, Ohio’s Children’s Advocacy Centers saw 6,717 cases of sexual abuse against Ohioans between infancy and adulthood. And in 2020, the most recent year for which statistics are available, 571 girls aged 17 or younger received abortions in Ohio, according to the state department of health. Fifty-two of them — or one a week — were 14 or younger. https://odh.ohio.gov/know-our-programs/vital-statistics/resources/vs-abortionreport2020
Indiana Republican attorney general Todd Rokita asks medical board to discipline doctor who provided abortion for 10-year-old rape victim https://apnews.com/article/abortion-biden-health-indianapolis-indiana-e73ecf4f60ed68f1ad1d11db7c223359
Rep. Cindy Crawford, R-Fort Smith of Arkansas publicly defends forcing young children to give birth, even if potentially fatal https://www.reddit.com/r/WelcomeToGilead/comments/128o9m2/video_of_arkansas_decision_on_child_rape_amendment/
Republican Sen. Mike Moon reiterates support for 12-year-old's right to marry in Missouri https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/12/sen-mike-moon-reiterates-support-for-12-year-olds-right-to-marry-missouri-senate/70107573007/
Tennessee Republican Tom Leatherwood sponsors bill to remove marriage age limit https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-politics/a-get-out-of-jail-free-card-gop-bill-would-eliminate-age-requirements-for-marriages-in-tennessee/
A Kentucky Republican has introduced legislation that would force 13 year olds and older to give birth to their cousin's rape baby.
https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/24rs/hb269.html
The amendment would reduce the designation of incest by contact to a Class D felony for some cases "unless it is committed with a person who is less than twelve years of age," in which case it is Class C.
ID, KS and MO AGs in abortion pill lawsuit argue fewer teen pregnancies hurt states financially
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2024/10/23/missouri-ag-in-abortion-pill-lawsuit-argues-fewer-teen-pregnancies-hurt-state-financially/
Anonymous
01/23/2025 11:12
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:whats wrong with Prime?
Probably triggered by the sight of bezos bending the knee at the inauguration yesterday. He doesn’t have much to do with Amazon though. Most of the big tech bosses were there yesterday sniveling anyway. There’s no escaping it.
Triggered is right
Why do you feel the need to bully and belittle people who are doing something different than you?
DP here. Because it's so stupid to have this attitude of "punishing" a business because you don't like a CEO or what have you. First of all, it's a business. Second of all, if I showed you what all the big businesses do I will bet you a big bag of money that 98% of them have done or are doing something just as hypocritical, unsavory, borderline ethical, etc. as Bezos et al. They may not be at Trump's Inauguration and they may not be high profile with actions attracting much publicity, but running a big business is just not sunshine and roses.
Now, you can say - but I see Bezos and I want to teach him a lesson! But that's so immature and foolish. You don't teach him a lesson. If 50% of Prime customers left, he would still be doing remarkably well. He's built his business. Between AWS, how many customers he already has, his other investments/current business built up, you can't touch him. It's just such a stupid thing to do and it makes people who haven't thought through this kind of thing just end up hurting themselves. Prime is a service. As a mom, let me tell you, it's a lifesaver. As a consumer, the options you get on prime when you don't have to worry about ship costs on 99% of what I want is truly awesome. I hate Bezos too. But I don't hate him enough to hate myself and be so impractical as to believe that by denying myself, I'm actually hurting him at all. You can find someone much more of value to be noble for.
It's like climate change. It's like people who won't use A/C or whatever. OK - you won't make a dent in anything except to sweat your ass off. It's your choice but to promote this idea of nobility that you're somehow sacrificing to save all of us on earth is ridiculous. In the end, you hurt yourself. I say, use your A/C, drive, fly, eat meat, don't worry about how you're affecting climate change via your habits. Instead - DONATE to people who are researching solutions to how we're going to live when it'll be too hard to achieve a stable climate. OR, help think of solutions for when that time comes when none of us will be doing well. Look into where you can function when climate change hits your home - start saving up or something for a second home. Do something meaningful. But to just say - oh - what a horrible man Bezos is - I'm going to boycott Prime because I think he's wrong! That's just such a dumb reaction. You would need to boycott 1000 other companies or you are a total hypocrite because he's not the only one bowing down to Trump, guaranteed. Now, if you truly don't find yourself needing Prime as a business, that's legit. But be practical and honest about it. Prime is not just books for sure, there is a reason why Bezos is a billionaire, don't kid yourself on how good a business Amazon really is.
That's a lot of words to say that you personally can't be bothered
I don't pretend that cancelling my Prime membership and refusing to shop at Hobby Lobby, Walmart, and Chikfila is going to singlehandedly send those companies under, but I am 'voting' with my dollars. Look at WaPo subscription rates: they're down something like 300K since the endorsement debacle. That's a real impact made by the combined effect of individual choice.
Anonymous
01/23/2025 10:37
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For books:
https://www.abebooks.com/?clickid=2O83fvVCKxyKWgLyC5TQiUwuUksxnB2xyTWKyA0&cm_mmc=aff-_-ir-_-2516709-_-615875&ref=imprad2516709&afn_sr=impact&ref_=aff_ir_2516709_615875
“ With AbeBooks, you can browse through millions of books sold by independent sellers—it's basically an eBay for book-lovers. Each seller posts a detailed description of the book, and you'll always know where your books are shipping from.”
Abebooks is owned by Amazon. Thrift books is a good alternative.
+1 to Thriftbooks and also https://bookshop.org/
Anonymous
01/23/2025 10:22
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:whats wrong with Prime?
Probably triggered by the sight of bezos bending the knee at the inauguration yesterday. He doesn’t have much to do with Amazon though. Most of the big tech bosses were there yesterday sniveling anyway. There’s no escaping it.
Triggered is right
Why do you feel the need to bully and belittle people who are doing something different than you?
DP here. Because it's so stupid to have this attitude of "punishing" a business because you don't like a CEO or what have you. First of all, it's a business. Second of all, if I showed you what all the big businesses do I will bet you a big bag of money that 98% of them have done or are doing something just as hypocritical, unsavory, borderline ethical, etc. as Bezos et al. They may not be at Trump's Inauguration and they may not be high profile with actions attracting much publicity, but running a big business is just not sunshine and roses.
Now, you can say - but I see Bezos and I want to teach him a lesson! But that's so immature and foolish. You don't teach him a lesson. If 50% of Prime customers left, he would still be doing remarkably well. He's built his business. Between AWS, how many customers he already has, his other investments/current business built up, you can't touch him. It's just such a stupid thing to do and it makes people who haven't thought through this kind of thing just end up hurting themselves. Prime is a service. As a mom, let me tell you, it's a lifesaver. As a consumer, the options you get on prime when you don't have to worry about ship costs on 99% of what I want is truly awesome. I hate Bezos too. But I don't hate him enough to hate myself and be so impractical as to believe that by denying myself, I'm actually hurting him at all. You can find someone much more of value to be noble for.
It's like climate change. It's like people who won't use A/C or whatever. OK - you won't make a dent in anything except to sweat your ass off. It's your choice but to promote this idea of nobility that you're somehow sacrificing to save all of us on earth is ridiculous. In the end, you hurt yourself. I say, use your A/C, drive, fly, eat meat, don't worry about how you're affecting climate change via your habits. Instead - DONATE to people who are researching solutions to how we're going to live when it'll be too hard to achieve a stable climate. OR, help think of solutions for when that time comes when none of us will be doing well. Look into where you can function when climate change hits your home - start saving up or something for a second home. Do something meaningful. But to just say - oh - what a horrible man Bezos is - I'm going to boycott Prime because I think he's wrong! That's just such a dumb reaction. You would need to boycott 1000 other companies or you are a total hypocrite because he's not the only one bowing down to Trump, guaranteed. Now, if you truly don't find yourself needing Prime as a business, that's legit. But be practical and honest about it. Prime is not just books for sure, there is a reason why Bezos is a billionaire, don't kid yourself on how good a business Amazon really is.
Anonymous
01/23/2025 09:47
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Where do you live? Scrawl books in Reston offers free local delivery
Anonymous
01/23/2025 09:46
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of you assume Costco, Walmart, Target etc aren't also bending the knee.....
I'm more amused than anything else. I had to watch corporate America bend the knee to BLM and Floyd and Biden four years ago and now they're bending the knee to the opposite. At this point I really don't care and will continue using Prime because it's fantastic and love the discounts at Whole Foods and otherwise works great for me and I don't make up grievances because no one else is better.
WTF? Talk about false equivalencies.
The moral hypocrisy is off the charts on this thread. It's nothing more than intolerant people screaming bigotry when things don't go their way while sneering and judging people who protested when companies became political a few years ago.
Good luck with your boycott of the most convenient and successful company in America
Folks interested in the actual topic of this thread, this is another person to ignore. Don’t engage or debate. Don’t be distracted.
Keep doing what you know is right. It matters.
Anonymous
01/23/2025 09:43
Subject: Re:Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For all of you raging against big bad Amazon by canceling prime, are you also avoiding websites that use AWS too??? Cuz you should be by your logic.
Good luck with that!
We do what we can as we can do it. We do not quit because we can’t achieve perfection today. People are in different stages of wanting to reduce consumption and be more aware of/in control of where there money goes. And no one needs your permission.
No, you only want to do what's easy. If you truly cared, you'd avoid everything amazon touches, especially AWS, because it's absolutely huge. But no, that's too hard.
How about putting that black square on your social media profile picture again? That really helped!
All this person wants to do is demoralize and discourage people, make them hopeless. If we become hopeless, there’s no change.
Don’t fall for this, folks.
Keep doing what you can, even if those things are small. Small things matter.
Anonymous
01/23/2025 09:39
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
I stopped shopping with Amazon and Walmart after reading articles about work conditions and compensation.
Like the Walmart family has a museum and Michelin star restaurant in their town, but scores of employees are on government assistance and many deliberately kept under full-time so they don't get benefits. We're paying in a roundabout way for those low prices.
Amazon warehouses are horrible places to work and the drivers are under ridiculous pressure, often driving vehicles that aren't maintained properly. There was a big article a few years ago about how many deaths Amazon vehicles are responsible for. It's wild.
Like the Walmart family has a museum and Michelin star restaurant in their town, but scores of employees are on government assistance and many deliberately kept under full-time so they don't get benefits. We're paying in a roundabout way for those low prices.
Amazon warehouses are horrible places to work and the drivers are under ridiculous pressure, often driving vehicles that aren't maintained properly. There was a big article a few years ago about how many deaths Amazon vehicles are responsible for. It's wild.
Anonymous
01/23/2025 09:26
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
I won’t renew mine either. I don’t use prime that often, but the products offered are trash!
Anonymous
01/23/2025 09:07
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
The alternative to prime is that you don’t need next day / 2 day shipping.
Anonymous
01/23/2025 08:58
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of you assume Costco, Walmart, Target etc aren't also bending the knee.....
I'm more amused than anything else. I had to watch corporate America bend the knee to BLM and Floyd and Biden four years ago and now they're bending the knee to the opposite. At this point I really don't care and will continue using Prime because it's fantastic and love the discounts at Whole Foods and otherwise works great for me and I don't make up grievances because no one else is better.
WTF? Talk about false equivalencies.
The moral hypocrisy is off the charts on this thread. It's nothing more than intolerant people screaming bigotry when things don't go their way while sneering and judging people who protested when companies became political a few years ago.
Good luck with your boycott of the most convenient and successful company in America
High five! *THIS* warms my heart!
Anonymous
01/23/2025 08:55
Subject: Re:Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For all of you raging against big bad Amazon by canceling prime, are you also avoiding websites that use AWS too??? Cuz you should be by your logic.
Good luck with that!
We do what we can as we can do it. We do not quit because we can’t achieve perfection today. People are in different stages of wanting to reduce consumption and be more aware of/in control of where there money goes. And no one needs your permission.
No, you only want to do what's easy. If you truly cared, you'd avoid everything amazon touches, especially AWS, because it's absolutely huge. But no, that's too hard.
How about putting that black square on your social media profile picture again? That really helped!
Anonymous
01/23/2025 08:49
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of you assume Costco, Walmart, Target etc aren't also bending the knee.....
I'm more amused than anything else. I had to watch corporate America bend the knee to BLM and Floyd and Biden four years ago and now they're bending the knee to the opposite. At this point I really don't care and will continue using Prime because it's fantastic and love the discounts at Whole Foods and otherwise works great for me and I don't make up grievances because no one else is better.
WTF? Talk about false equivalencies.
The moral hypocrisy is off the charts on this thread. It's nothing more than intolerant people screaming bigotry when things don't go their way while sneering and judging people who protested when companies became political a few years ago.
Good luck with your boycott of the most convenient and successful company in America
and pat yourself on the back for doing the, ahem, righteous, thing. After all, we gotta believe we're on the right side of history, amirite? LOL at that it's the "right" side, ha! Maybe there's a hidden irony in there.
Anonymous
01/23/2025 08:05
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:Thanks for this thread. This is the first time I’ve seriously considered cancelling Prime (it is just so convenient). But I think I’m finally at that point.
That’s great. My heart is rarely warmed by DCUM, but it’s nice to see people supporting each other in making even small changes.
My advice for getting started is, the next time you need to order something from Amazon, look at Target online and see if it’s available there. It’s such an easy sub for so much of what you get on Amazon.
Anonymous
01/22/2025 23:21
Subject: Alternatives to Prime?
Anonymous wrote:A lot of you assume Costco, Walmart, Target etc aren't also bending the knee.....
I'm more amused than anything else. I had to watch corporate America bend the knee to BLM and Floyd and Biden four years ago and now they're bending the knee to the opposite. At this point I really don't care and will continue using Prime because it's fantastic and love the discounts at Whole Foods and otherwise works great for me and I don't make up grievances because no one else is better.
WTF? Talk about false equivalencies.