Anonymous wrote:Purdue EA decisions recently came out, and it was shocking how selective they were. I seen kids with straight As, a 1570+ SAT, and strong extracurriculars in research, building model rockets, Eagle Scout, varsity team captains, and more who got denied. Not even deferred. Just flat out denied. It is just so frustrating that here in NOVA, just getting into these extracurriculars and being top of the class is ridiculously hard. Yet, many of these stop students can't get even get into Purdue. I honestly don't know what Ivy Leagues or schools like Berkeley and Michigan are looking for.

What the freak are you talking about? You kid doesn't get into one school and this is the reaction you have. Grow all the way up.

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Anonymous wrote:Purdue EA decisions recently came out, and it was shocking how selective they were. I seen kids with straight As, a 1570+ SAT, and strong extracurriculars in research, building model rockets, Eagle Scout, varsity team captains, and more who got denied. Not even deferred. Just flat out denied. It is just so frustrating that here in NOVA, just getting into these extracurriculars and being top of the class is ridiculously hard. Yet, many of these stop students can't get even get into Purdue. I honestly don't know what Ivy Leagues or schools like Berkeley and Michigan are looking for.

Go to a less selective school for engineering. Problem solved.

One thing about engineering is that there are plenty of less selective schools where you can get an excellentr engineering education.

Non-engineer here. I was under the impression it does not matter much where you go for engineering as long as it it ABET accredited. Is that true?

Depends on engineering. I recruit BS engineers. Some schools don't do enough math and physics for EE and computer engineering. Some aerospace programs are not rigorous enough in my opinion as well. Purdue is amazing so are UMD, Michigan and many others. You have to look at the requirements for the major and how much math there is and also what the options are for 400 levels as in some schools there are easy senior project courses but challenging one in others.

+1 ABET is the minimum needed but to maximize top recruitment in Engineering from the best companies and also if the kid has interest in start-up/emerging tech culture, you need certain classes: a lot of math and physics already accomplished by soph year is a leg up in getting paid summer E jobs, which then puts one ahead for jobs after junior year.

The weaker schools are not targets for high paying E jobs because mostly because the students are less prepared

True, but it is a small sliver of E-jobs at the very top of the market that preferentially target MIT/Ivy/CMU/UCB level over Purdue. Purdue does better than the vast majority of E-schools looking at jobs after BSE.
Not being a target for the super elite tech jobs is not important for most undergrads. Similar issue with those who always point out on DCUM that you cannot go into top finance(quant ala Jane Street, 2Sig) or top consulting(MBB) from non-ivy+. So? There remain plenty of regional finance and consulting careers that pay very well and hire from SMU, Fordham, UMD. Most grads do not care about the tip-top segments of the job market.

Have a son at Purdue in engineering - it is TOUGH!! And they over admitted last year and found themselves in a housing/town capacity/university capacity pickle. Kudos to Purdue for trying to balance things out by severely limiting acceptances this year vs just “going for the money” and continuing to crowd the school/community resources. Son’s classmates are a very balanced mix of true genius (the 1600/high rigor/ECs that read like a Nobel prize winner), the smart but balanced type (still great stats but also into liberal arts/great social skills evidenced by ECs), LOTS of international kids, and kids that you ask yourself how on earth they got in (lower than average stats) but are ironically usually getting the best grades bc they can grind out the work and are self-motivated. Purdue does not, in ANY way, enable the students. Widely known for grade deflation - sometimes test averages are in the 30s and the professors just shrug and say “guess you didn’t learn the concept, better luck next time”.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Purdue a top5 program in the US?

I get that it's a hard admit but I would expect this, no?

No. Purdue is not top 5 overall. It is a great Engineering public but MIT CMU stanford , Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia even less techy H and Y now have engineering programs that are better, as do Hopkins Northwestern Duke a handful of publics.. Purdue accepts kids from TJ and top stem magnets who are a couple of notches below the kids who get into the above true top schools, on naviance. Purdue kids are above the VT engineering matriculants.

This assessment is silly. Half those programs don’t even have half the engineering disciplines Purdue has let alone can objectively called ‘better’. Whatever than is supposed to mean.

Based on the list, it seems to mean the usual prestige obsession without any substance to it.

yup. It's the Ivy obsessed crowd. they can't stop themselves from typing..

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Purdue a top5 program in the US?

I get that it's a hard admit but I would expect this, no?

No. Purdue is not top 5 overall. It is a great Engineering public but MIT CMU stanford , Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia even less techy H and Y now have engineering programs that are better, as do Hopkins Northwestern Duke a handful of publics.. Purdue accepts kids from TJ and top stem magnets who are a couple of notches below the kids who get into the above true top schools, on naviance. Purdue kids are above the VT engineering matriculants.

This assessment is silly. Half those programs don’t even have half the engineering disciplines Purdue has let alone can objectively called ‘better’. Whatever than is supposed to mean.

Based on the list, it seems to mean the usual prestige obsession without any substance to it.

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Anonymous wrote:Purdue wasn’t that selective until after Covid. Purdue used to be known as easy to get in, but hard to graduate. It is ridiculous what college admissions is turning into

Same with Northeastern University.

I graduated from there in the 90s. I had under 1000 on the SAT. It was an average school at best.

I am doing fine career wise but just shocked How competitive it is.

Many Purdue engineering grads would never get in now if they graduated some time ago. Purdue, and I’m sure Northeastern, has made a strong push to grow in certain directions. It’s not just that years have passed. It’s also that universities do active development in certain areas.

Anonymous wrote:Purdue EA decisions recently came out, and it was shocking how selective they were. I seen kids with straight As, a 1570+ SAT, and strong extracurriculars in research, building model rockets, Eagle Scout, varsity team captains, and more who got denied. Not even deferred. Just flat out denied. It is just so frustrating that here in NOVA, just getting into these extracurriculars and being top of the class is ridiculously hard. Yet, many of these stop students can't get even get into Purdue. I honestly don't know what Ivy Leagues or schools like Berkeley and Michigan are looking for.

This might help you understand stats srent everything at all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/s/Xk0Gq2tKMu

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Purdue a top5 program in the US?

I get that it's a hard admit but I would expect this, no?

No. Purdue is not top 5 overall. It is a great Engineering public but MIT CMU stanford , Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia even less techy H and Y now have engineering programs that are better, as do Hopkins Northwestern Duke a handful of publics.. Purdue accepts kids from TJ and top stem magnets who are a couple of notches below the kids who get into the above true top schools, on naviance. Purdue kids are above the VT engineering matriculants.

It's ranked 8 overall for engineering but much higher in certain fields of engineering such as aerospace. https://engineering.purdue.edu/Engr/AboutUs/FactsFigures/Rankings

Purdue is the 8th best engineering undergraduate university in the country. It has been a difficult admit for over a decade. Many of the schools listed above are stronger overall as a university and have more difficult admissions. They are not better at engineering. They do not think they are better at engineering. The engineering rankings are largely based on peer assessments from other schools.

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She is likely not going to get in to UVA because she does not want to do four years of a language. She is dyslexic and will have theee years of ASL (common accommodation for dyslexics) but it taps out after junior year. She wants to take another science or math for senior year instead of beating her head against a brick wall trying to take year 1 of some other foreign language.

Just chiming in on the language. DS has speech apraxia and has no foreign language or ASL. He’s a high stats NMSF and included an additional essay in his Common App explaining his speech apraxia and issues with expressive speech as barriers for FL. Instead he took other electives (humanities/social sciences) and his counselor also addressed it in his recommendation letter.

He’s been accepted to several schools including Purdue EA. So don’t give up on UVa!

This is great to hear! Thank you for letting me know, and congrats and best wishes to your son as well!

Same to you and your daughter!

Thank you!

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She is likely not going to get in to UVA because she does not want to do four years of a language. She is dyslexic and will have theee years of ASL (common accommodation for dyslexics) but it taps out after junior year. She wants to take another science or math for senior year instead of beating her head against a brick wall trying to take year 1 of some other foreign language.

Just chiming in on the language. DS has speech apraxia and has no foreign language or ASL. He’s a high stats NMSF and included an additional essay in his Common App explaining his speech apraxia and issues with expressive speech as barriers for FL. Instead he took other electives (humanities/social sciences) and his counselor also addressed it in his recommendation letter.

He’s been accepted to several schools including Purdue EA. So don’t give up on UVa!

This is great to hear! Thank you for letting me know, and congrats and best wishes to your son as well!

Same to you and your daughter!

Anonymous wrote:Purdue EA decisions recently came out, and it was shocking how selective they were. I seen kids with straight As, a 1570+ SAT, and strong extracurriculars in research, building model rockets, Eagle Scout, varsity team captains, and more who got denied. Not even deferred. Just flat out denied. It is just so frustrating that here in NOVA, just getting into these extracurriculars and being top of the class is ridiculously hard. Yet, many of these stop students can't get even get into Purdue. I honestly don't know what Ivy Leagues or schools like Berkeley and Michigan are looking for.

I can't take seriously anyone who says, "I seen ..."

Good luck.

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She is likely not going to get in to UVA because she does not want to do four years of a language. She is dyslexic and will have theee years of ASL (common accommodation for dyslexics) but it taps out after junior year. She wants to take another science or math for senior year instead of beating her head against a brick wall trying to take year 1 of some other foreign language.

Just chiming in on the language. DS has speech apraxia and has no foreign language or ASL. He’s a high stats NMSF and included an additional essay in his Common App explaining his speech apraxia and issues with expressive speech as barriers for FL. Instead he took other electives (humanities/social sciences) and his counselor also addressed it in his recommendation letter.

He’s been accepted to several schools including Purdue EA. So don’t give up on UVa!

This is great to hear! Thank you for letting me know, and congrats and best wishes to your son as well!

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Anonymous wrote:Purdue EA decisions recently came out, and it was shocking how selective they were. I seen kids with straight As, a 1570+ SAT, and strong extracurriculars in research, building model rockets, Eagle Scout, varsity team captains, and more who got denied. Not even deferred. Just flat out denied. It is just so frustrating that here in NOVA, just getting into these extracurriculars and being top of the class is ridiculously hard. Yet, many of these stop students can't get even get into Purdue. I honestly don't know what Ivy Leagues or schools like Berkeley and Michigan are looking for.

Go to a less selective school for engineering. Problem solved.

One thing about engineering is that there are plenty of less selective schools where you can get an excellentr engineering education.

Non-engineer here. I was under the impression it does not matter much where you go for engineering as long as it it ABET accredited. Is that true?

Depends on engineering. I recruit BS engineers. Some schools don't do enough math and physics for EE and computer engineering. Some aerospace programs are not rigorous enough in my opinion as well. Purdue is amazing so are UMD, Michigan and many others. You have to look at the requirements for the major and how much math there is and also what the options are for 400 levels as in some schools there are easy senior project courses but challenging one in others.

+1 ABET is the minimum needed but to maximize top recruitment in Engineering from the best companies and also if the kid has interest in start-up/emerging tech culture, you need certain classes: a lot of math and physics already accomplished by soph year is a leg up in getting paid summer E jobs, which then puts one ahead for jobs after junior year.

The weaker schools are not targets for high paying E jobs because mostly because the students are less prepared

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Purdue a top5 program in the US?

I get that it's a hard admit but I would expect this, no?

No. Purdue is not top 5 overall. It is a great Engineering public but MIT CMU stanford , Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia even less techy H and Y now have engineering programs that are better, as do Hopkins Northwestern Duke a handful of publics.. Purdue accepts kids from TJ and top stem magnets who are a couple of notches below the kids who get into the above true top schools, on naviance. Purdue kids are above the VT engineering matriculants.

It's ranked 8 overall for engineering but much higher in certain fields of engineering such as aerospace. https://engineering.purdue.edu/Engr/AboutUs/FactsFigures/Rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Purdue a top5 program in the US?

I get that it's a hard admit but I would expect this, no?

No. Purdue is not top 5 overall. It is a great Engineering public but MIT CMU stanford , Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia even less techy H and Y now have engineering programs that are better, as do Hopkins Northwestern Duke a handful of publics.. Purdue accepts kids from TJ and top stem magnets who are a couple of notches below the kids who get into the above true top schools, on naviance. Purdue kids are above the VT engineering matriculants.

This assessment is silly. Half those programs don’t even have half the engineering disciplines Purdue has let alone can objectively called ‘better’. Whatever than is supposed to mean.