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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

Search Google for the school page, then look for the links to Counseling CCIC / College/Career, then Profile

MCPS won't share this info on the main website, so you have to look for each school's custom counseling site.

Some kind bored souls should collect all the web pages they can find that always link to the updated current year version for a school.

BCC:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/bcc-ccc-website/home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuP2fKPN3GGr9N6qEq6b5jEdOawRaKox/view

Whitman:

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/wwhs-counseling/seniors/college-applications-information?authuser=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPaF7kQ1nUdfsODVwh-U4sesYZYn3y0s/view?usp=sharing

Wootton

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/woottoncollegecareercenter/home?authuser=0

Can't find the profile, but here's an old one (2018) from Google
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

OSA publishes the AP results every year. And a general school profile can be found on the MCPS website.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-profiles/

And the fact that there is information about this on school’s college counseling site means they are in fact published on the main website.

Funny how these profiles aren't including a standard set of info. The Whitman one doesn't include the % of students with GPAs (4.5+ etc.). I assume that's because it's higher than 40%.

My sense is that Whitman has a more sophisticated college counseling office and that they give a lot of thought as to how to present their data. Not a Whitman parent.

an interesting thought - the rest seems to be the same except for gpa section.

Why do you think hiding percentages of students with certain gpa help? this may have students with lower gpa, but not sure how it's going to help higher gpa students.

I assume it’s a really high % of kids with a 4.5 + GPA which highlights the grade inflation at McPS. Bcc has 36% of kids with 4.5+ so maybe it’s 50 pct at Whitman which makes the high GpA seem meaningless…

It makes it harder for kids outside that top band and even those in it. Sara Harberson has a blog post about this and notes this is why private high schools don’t include such bands and she recommends that public high schools shouldn’t either. I think it is an also a trend away from making your hs look super strong on these profiles because the goal is for the *applicant* to look strong for their school. I think Whitman now bases their SAT scores in the profile just based on the single in-school sitting.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

Search Google for the school page, then look for the links to Counseling CCIC / College/Career, then Profile

MCPS won't share this info on the main website, so you have to look for each school's custom counseling site.

Some kind bored souls should collect all the web pages they can find that always link to the updated current year version for a school.

BCC:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/bcc-ccc-website/home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuP2fKPN3GGr9N6qEq6b5jEdOawRaKox/view

Whitman:

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/wwhs-counseling/seniors/college-applications-information?authuser=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPaF7kQ1nUdfsODVwh-U4sesYZYn3y0s/view?usp=sharing

Wootton

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/woottoncollegecareercenter/home?authuser=0

Can't find the profile, but here's an old one (2018) from Google
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

OSA publishes the AP results every year. And a general school profile can be found on the MCPS website.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-profiles/

And the fact that there is information about this on school’s college counseling site means they are in fact published on the main website.

Funny how these profiles aren't including a standard set of info. The Whitman one doesn't include the % of students with GPAs (4.5+ etc.). I assume that's because it's higher than 40%.

My sense is that Whitman has a more sophisticated college counseling office and that they give a lot of thought as to how to present their data. Not a Whitman parent.

an interesting thought - the rest seems to be the same except for gpa section.

Why do you think hiding percentages of students with certain gpa help? this may have students with lower gpa, but not sure how it's going to help higher gpa students.

I assume it’s a really high % of kids with a 4.5 + GPA which highlights the grade inflation at McPS. Bcc has 36% of kids with 4.5+ so maybe it’s 50 pct at Whitman which makes the high GpA seem meaningless…

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

Search Google for the school page, then look for the links to Counseling CCIC / College/Career, then Profile

MCPS won't share this info on the main website, so you have to look for each school's custom counseling site.

Some kind bored souls should collect all the web pages they can find that always link to the updated current year version for a school.

BCC:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/bcc-ccc-website/home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuP2fKPN3GGr9N6qEq6b5jEdOawRaKox/view

Whitman:

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/wwhs-counseling/seniors/college-applications-information?authuser=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPaF7kQ1nUdfsODVwh-U4sesYZYn3y0s/view?usp=sharing

Wootton

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/woottoncollegecareercenter/home?authuser=0

Can't find the profile, but here's an old one (2018) from Google
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

OSA publishes the AP results every year. And a general school profile can be found on the MCPS website.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-profiles/

And the fact that there is information about this on school’s college counseling site means they are in fact published on the main website.

Funny how these profiles aren't including a standard set of info. The Whitman one doesn't include the % of students with GPAs (4.5+ etc.). I assume that's because it's higher than 40%.

My sense is that Whitman has a more sophisticated college counseling office and that they give a lot of thought as to how to present their data. Not a Whitman parent.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

Search Google for the school page, then look for the links to Counseling CCIC / College/Career, then Profile

MCPS won't share this info on the main website, so you have to look for each school's custom counseling site.

Some kind bored souls should collect all the web pages they can find that always link to the updated current year version for a school.

BCC:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/bcc-ccc-website/home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuP2fKPN3GGr9N6qEq6b5jEdOawRaKox/view

Whitman:

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/wwhs-counseling/seniors/college-applications-information?authuser=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPaF7kQ1nUdfsODVwh-U4sesYZYn3y0s/view?usp=sharing

Wootton

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/woottoncollegecareercenter/home?authuser=0

Can't find the profile, but here's an old one (2018) from Google
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

OSA publishes the AP results every year. And a general school profile can be found on the MCPS website.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-profiles/

And the fact that there is information about this on school’s college counseling site means they are in fact published on the main website.

Funny how these profiles aren't including a standard set of info. The Whitman one doesn't include the % of students with GPAs (4.5+ etc.). I assume that's because it's higher than 40%.

My sense is that Whitman has a more sophisticated college counseling office and that they give a lot of thought as to how to present their data. Not a Whitman parent.

an interesting thought - the rest seems to be the same except for gpa section.

Why do you think hiding percentages of students with certain gpa help? this may have students with lower gpa, but not sure how it's going to help higher gpa students.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

Search Google for the school page, then look for the links to Counseling CCIC / College/Career, then Profile

MCPS won't share this info on the main website, so you have to look for each school's custom counseling site.

Some kind bored souls should collect all the web pages they can find that always link to the updated current year version for a school.

BCC:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/bcc-ccc-website/home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuP2fKPN3GGr9N6qEq6b5jEdOawRaKox/view

Whitman:

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/wwhs-counseling/seniors/college-applications-information?authuser=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPaF7kQ1nUdfsODVwh-U4sesYZYn3y0s/view?usp=sharing

Wootton

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/woottoncollegecareercenter/home?authuser=0

Can't find the profile, but here's an old one (2018) from Google
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

OSA publishes the AP results every year. And a general school profile can be found on the MCPS website.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-profiles/

And the fact that there is information about this on school’s college counseling site means they are in fact published on the main website.

Funny how these profiles aren't including a standard set of info. The Whitman one doesn't include the % of students with GPAs (4.5+ etc.). I assume that's because it's higher than 40%.

My sense is that Whitman has a more sophisticated college counseling office and that they give a lot of thought as to how to present their data. Not a Whitman parent.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

Search Google for the school page, then look for the links to Counseling CCIC / College/Career, then Profile

MCPS won't share this info on the main website, so you have to look for each school's custom counseling site.

Some kind bored souls should collect all the web pages they can find that always link to the updated current year version for a school.

BCC:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/bcc-ccc-website/home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuP2fKPN3GGr9N6qEq6b5jEdOawRaKox/view

Whitman:

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/wwhs-counseling/seniors/college-applications-information?authuser=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPaF7kQ1nUdfsODVwh-U4sesYZYn3y0s/view?usp=sharing

Wootton

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/woottoncollegecareercenter/home?authuser=0

Can't find the profile, but here's an old one (2018) from Google
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

OSA publishes the AP results every year. And a general school profile can be found on the MCPS website.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-profiles/

And the fact that there is information about this on school’s college counseling site means they are in fact published on the main website.

Funny how these profiles aren't including a standard set of info. The Whitman one doesn't include the % of students with GPAs (4.5+ etc.). I assume that's because it's higher than 40%.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

Search Google for the school page, then look for the links to Counseling CCIC / College/Career, then Profile

MCPS won't share this info on the main website, so you have to look for each school's custom counseling site.

Some kind bored souls should collect all the web pages they can find that always link to the updated current year version for a school.

BCC:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/bcc-ccc-website/home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuP2fKPN3GGr9N6qEq6b5jEdOawRaKox/view

Whitman:

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/wwhs-counseling/seniors/college-applications-information?authuser=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPaF7kQ1nUdfsODVwh-U4sesYZYn3y0s/view?usp=sharing

Wootton

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/woottoncollegecareercenter/home?authuser=0

Can't find the profile, but here's an old one (2018) from Google
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

OSA publishes the AP results every year. And a general school profile can be found on the MCPS website.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/school-profiles/

And the fact that there is information about this on school’s college counseling site means they are in fact published on the main website.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

Search Google for the school page, then look for the links to Counseling CCIC / College/Career, then Profile

MCPS won't share this info on the main website, so you have to look for each school's custom counseling site.

Some kind bored souls should collect all the web pages they can find that always link to the updated current year version for a school.

BCC:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/bcc-ccc-website/home

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuP2fKPN3GGr9N6qEq6b5jEdOawRaKox/view

Whitman:

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/wwhs-counseling/seniors/college-applications-information?authuser=0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jPaF7kQ1nUdfsODVwh-U4sesYZYn3y0s/view?usp=sharing

Wootton

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/woottoncollegecareercenter/home?authuser=0

Can't find the profile, but here's an old one (2018) from Google
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

+1 Can you post the BCC one?

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Is there a trick to finding these documents for all the schools? I've only ever found a few.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

Not PP but one school is far from all of MCPS. I sense there is a fair bit of assertions in this thread that don’t stand up to much, if any scrutiny.

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view

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Anonymous wrote:NP—the number of APs (with good grades and test scores) is important relative to peers because colleges evaluate applicants vs kids from their school. I assume that’s why OP asked…

I agree that we should be asking about the need for APs freshman year, the AP “arms race” in general, kids taking AP classes to get the GPA bump while still having the option to skip the exam, and overall quality of instruction. These speak more to the quality vs quantity and are outside the scope of OP’s question.

Take that up with University Admissions. When your graduating class is 500-600 students in a district of 10,000-12,000 seniors, and your state flagship gets 60K applications for 5Kish spots, families are going to do whatever to get ahead. APs are one of those ways.

1K ish spots for the local district.

I’m the PP who mentioned the AP arms race—I totally agree that this is an issue for university admissions. UMD has always been competitive but I don’t recall (maybe I’ve forgotten?) the AP hysteria when I was in HS amongst kids who wanted UMD.

Great, allow us to disabuse you of the idea that college admissions today is anything like it was when you were a HS kid.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

No need for snark. I didn’t mean to imply UMD wasn’t competitive or that kids don’t need to take APs to be in range for admissions these days. I was asking when it became necessary to take a ton of APs for admissions to very good and top schools.

Btw—This is a very helpful document so thank you for sharing.

How can the average admitted student GPA be 4.45? They get some weighting off AP classes for sure but so much that the average kid is at 4.45?

A 4.45 today is like a 3.2 from 30 years ago.

you are screwed if you have 4.45 really - over 50% students at mcps have 4.5.

Please provide source. Most recent source I’ve seen has it at 11%.

11% at MCPS
16% at rich schools


4.0+ is 31% MCPS, 50% at rich schools.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/woottonhs/uploadedfiles/counseling/school_profile__wootton_high_2017-2018.pdf

That is weighted.

Yes, weighted is 11% in MCPS. Even wealth schools don’t hit 50% when weighted.

try Churchill - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MevGENlVsQgpIrCb0kwKYEw2a4tewQp/view