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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

How about electrical engineering? Would that be a marketable degree?

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

So you are the “don’t major in CS guy” but you must at least minor in it or do something technical? Yikes. A distinction without a difference: you just lost all credibility.

+1

That "alternative " majors list was laughable.

Another anonymous DCUM CS "expert" bites the dust.

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

Thanks for sharing this! What job would a Symbolic Systems degree lead to?

The same a Cognitive Science degree would lead to. It is the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

If your kid actually wants to get into these schools, might I suggest that you back off your tech lifejacket altogether? Many of these majors are seen as backdoors to CS and eventual CS majors or double majors once they enroll. (You even have CS double/joint majors on your list already; sounds like not double majoring is your peeve, not having CS as one major — you should have made that clear).

Even on your terms, almost every major you mention has a sequence of computer science and like courses as a part of it.

Think about it this way: computer science is over-saturated as a major. Every single CS course is over-enrolled. How does your kid help this problem?

People on this board think a humanities and computer science major balances out and colleges will want them because they need more humanities students. No, it means the school has yet another computer science major or yet another kid sucking up computer science resources (by being a Cognitive Science natural language processing type or whatever). It is a net loss.

They will take the real humanities kid any day.

As for public policy, read what I said above and apply it to Econ…

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

Thanks for sharing this! What job would a Symbolic Systems degree lead to?

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Help me understand this then. Won’t AGI also replace lawyers, doctors, etc. And won’t CS majors be needed to keep all these systems running. There is way more to CS than programming.

You dont need 10,000,000 CS graduates…..5% of that is enough.

There are only 100,000 CS graduates per year…so, by your figures we need 5x more.

Of course your universe is only the US. There are more than 1 Million CS graduates worldwide per year. In just 10 years we (the world) have graduate more than 10 Million CS graduates…..the current number that includes old people like me is much higher than that……

Hey, don't get angry about a response to your poorly worded comment.

BTW, how many of your 1MM are from India and China? If you don't graduate from just like 10-20 colleges in India, your degree is nothing more than sending away for a correspondence school degree. China has more legit colleges, but still a large number of absolutely garbage ones.

It's estimated that 80% - 90% of all STEM graduates in those countries aren't qualified whatsoever.

Finally, in the US, only 50% of the graduates of top CS schools actually work a job that directly uses their degrees. The other 50% work for McKinsey or a hedge fund or a VC or an investment bank...etc. I get that this only applies to the top 10-20 schools.

However, clearly if AI will reduce CS employment by 95% overall..that's a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

Won’t all these also be overtaken by AI? If not, why not?

AGI Humanoid would be way better in all those

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

So you are the “don’t major in CS guy” but you must at least minor in it or do something technical? Yikes. A distinction without a difference: you just lost all credibility.

As long as you know how to create and manage an AI agent, you will be fine in whatever career your choose according to my non-tech husband who listens to lots of podcasts.

Anonymous wrote:Huh. I'm in academia and I don't feel exploited.

Maybe what you have in mind is the high cost of graduate school? We in the humanities have a tough but simple solution: if you can't win a full scholarship with at least a living stipend or TA salary attached, you shouldn't go to grad school unless and until you can procure that security. If you love doing it, aren't going into debt, and can spare the time, there's no harm done as long as you are making career plans for afterwards.

Stem professor spouse advises the same thing. PhDs are free (and cover living expenses) and masters are only worth it if you have funding to cover it without loans or you are way ahead and able to do it as part of 4 yr undergraduate.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw that Rice University will be offering a Bachelor of Science in Artificial Intelligence through their engineering school. I wonder if more schools will follow.

My CS major was told by a professional that taking a class or two in AI/ML is all well and good but real learning is grad school.

Grad school is already becoming more necessary than 10 yrs ago for CS. AI as a major or part of a BSE education keeps the bachelors degree more marketable. College students need to understand they have to take a rigorous selection of courses, and they should push themselves to take the highest level courses that are open to them as undergrads. They also need to maximize their industry experience if they want a top job in CS with a bachelors: industry experience after sophomore year is available for those who have already built a strong transcript of Stem/CS and typically have research experience with CS or adjacent field professors (math, engineering, physics). Pick undergrad wisely and do not waste the first two years coasting in intros

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

Won’t all these also be overtaken by AI? If not, why not?

AGI Humanoid would be way better in all those

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

You type like grandpa's first time on a computer. I don't think you know anything about CS at all, but let me ask, when will we have AGI? You think what we have now is close? Lol.

You can think whatever you want. You dont know me, but if you did, you would think otherwise.
I dont know when we will get to AGI, but it is closer today than yesterday. Anywhere from 3 to 5 years is my opinion. I dont care what anybody here says. I’m closer to this than 99.999999% of the people on this site. I just happen to have a Junior that is trying to decide to what to study in College. This is why I frequent these boards…

I can see what is coming and it is not pretty. We can all put our heads in the sand and it wont change or stop the train. AGI will change everything. At that point, you better be in a senior position with plenty of experience. We will only need 5% of today’s CS workforce. But if you want to convince your kid to study CS, go ahead.

Yes, please share how you're advising your junior.
What majors/careers do you think are worthwhile to pursue given the above?

Sure. These are the programs we are discussing at our house with my son. 1st
8 are in the US, last 4 in the UK.
1. Stanford - Symbolic Systems (CS + Philosophy + Linguistics + Psychology)
2. MIT - BS in Urban Science & Planning with Computer Science
3. Harvard - Joint Concentration: Social Studies + Computer Science
4. Yale - Ethics, Politics & Economics (EP&E) + Cognitive Science
5. Michigan - Double Major: Information Science + Public Policy
6. Carnegie Mellon - Major: Ethics & Technology
- Minor: Human-Computer Interaction
7. Princeton University - Double Major: Digital Humanities + Public Policy
8. Arizona State - BS in Innovation in Society
9. University of Edinburgh
- MA Interdisciplinary Futures with focus in Future Governance (Edinburgh Futures Institute)
10. Cambridge - Human, Social, Political Sciences (HSPS) + AI Ethics Track
11. Oxford - Philosophy, Politics & Economics (PPE) + AI Governance Thesis
12. University of St Andrews - International Relations with Philosophy OR Psychology/Neuroscience with Sustainable Development or Management

Won’t all these also be overtaken by AI? If not, why not?

Anonymous wrote:I saw that Rice University will be offering a Bachelor of Science in Artificial Intelligence through their engineering school. I wonder if more schools will follow.

Upenn already has the major within Engineering and other top schools are incorporating AI into to computer science and other engineering majors. The schools that began adapting their curricula 1-3 yrs ago will have grads who are ready for AI and other new technology. These schools are the ones not seeing a slide in computer engineering or CS hiring with 2024&5 grads. Whether they call it engineering with ethics or AI or startup/design experience, the top programs already know that the basic CS degree that is mostly programming is already outdated. Rice, CMU, MIT, UPenn, princeton, Stanford, Columbia and even Yale have already adapted CS and overall engineering curricula and have grads that do very well in the job market. Berkeley is the public school at the forefront of change. Other top publics will follow but it takes funding to constantly adapt and raise the bar.

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Anonymous wrote:A programmer with an AI tool is akin to a carpenter working with power tools - they are more efficient and can produce value at a higher rate, translating into higher productivity.

Typically, higher productivity encourages more investment, and more creation.

In other words, programmers will remain, but they will accomplish far more.

I disagree. I have been a programmer for 30 years, taught at two different t20 CS depts……now consulting with one of the big 3….
I’m 100% certain that once we reach AGI there wont be a need for programmers. It is that simple.
Young CS graduates will NOT have jobs for them 5 yrs from now. They wont get the experience they need to be able to oversee an AGI programmer.

95% of CS jobs will be eliminated in less than 7 years. You car take picture of this post….then lets discuss this again in 5 years so I can tell you “I told you so”…..

Wrong.

A CS degree is more than coding.

Sorry bud…you dont need to teach me what a CS degree is…..been teaching at some of the TOP CS depts for years….
Of course it is more than coding. But it doesnt change the fact that once we reach AGI, there wont be a need for an INEXPERIENCED CS graduate….those jobs will be gone whether you like it or not. The transition will be hard. It will start with the kids right out of college first and with time, even guys in my position will be obsolete.
But go head and put your head in the sand as you send your kids to study CS…..let’s have this conversation again in 2030….

Nope.
It's like saying math major was going to be obsolete now that  we had computers in the 80s 90s. All the calculations would be done by computers and entry level mathematicians are not needed. Let's see in year 2000.

Math major has been fine and applied math major has been gaining popularity with good outcomes. Nobody really knows, but CS major is still in a better position than most others.

Math majors are not learning calculations. Math is completely different than computation.

CS majors are not learning coding. Coding is a mean to solving problems. You are repeating yourself.