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Anonymous wrote:Ignore what women say and look at who women are with in public, and it goes something like this:
- 6'5" handsome rich guy has his pick of the litter
- 6'3" bad boy dominates superficial / casual relationships
- 5'10" UMC guy typically does well in LTRs with women who have had their fun and are ready to "settle"
- 5'6" guy with a great personality, terrific physique, and well-off financially stays single

tl;dr men require a bare minimum of height, looks, and finances to be successful in LTRs, and if they're lacking just enough in one of those areas, then no matter how much they improve the other two, they're f***ed.

This is my DH. He's not single, lol. He's married to me -- a former model with multiple grad degrees and her own professional career and money. And there are plenty who would gladly get in line behind me at any given time, too.

So you must be some kind of bitter incel or something to be projecting like this?

Why do people on this forum always draw attention to women with grad degrees. I don't get it. What makes them special?

Nothing, actually.

"former model" = no longer competitive on the sexual marketplace
"multiple grad degrees" = six-figure debt she dumped on her husband
"her own professional career and money" = spends 40 hrs./wk. making a corporation rich and doesn't share the spoils with her husband

Every time I read "grad degree", my subconscious says "liability".

I don't want to insult lawyers and other with social sciences degrees but they are the ones who put so much premium on a grad degree. Some of never went to graduate school because we didn't need to. I have a bachelor's degree in pure mathematics from Berkeley. I am not kidding you I went on a date once and the woman kept asking me why I only have a bachelor's degree and she looked down on me because of it. She had a doctorate in some social field but somehow in her mind me with a math degree was beneath her in terms of intellects. I am sure she is still single and I am happily married to a teacher.

I believe it. My half-brother has an associate's in computer science and earns six figures, has his own business, etc. Largely self-taught and self-made, but many women in the social sciences would look down on that. Some of the richest men in the world have little to no college education, and even shun it as "too easy" or "unnecessary".

The heavy emphasis on college credentials just clout-chasing without any self-awareness. Smoke and mirrors to divert from the lack of character, substance, and virtue in those individuals. Ultimately, the teachers, secretaries, baristas, and other entry-level women are the ones succeeding in their work lives, marriages, child-rearing, and overall fulfillment.

Plus most of the social science/lib arts classes aren’t even difficult and are nearly guaranteed A’s with grade inflation. Someone with a bachelors in CS/math/physics/engineering probably has a higher IQ than a PhD in history or English. Look at the average GPA of an engineering major and it’s below 3.0, while the average GPA of an English major in most
schools is a 3.8 or 3.9. Those lib arts courses are jokes and don’t require intellect to get a passing grade.

Best sex of my life was with a guy 2 inches shorter, 50 pounds heavier than me, and objectively not particularly attractive.

That guy compensated for what he perceived as his short comings in truly extraordinary and wonderful ways!

We didn't work out for reasons having nothing to do with the physical stuff, but he set the bar unachievably high for everyone after him (including my husband, whom I love, but...)

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Anonymous wrote:What an odd question and wouldn’t it depend on the woman’s own size? For example, I am 5’1 with a healthy BMI for that height. It would be pretty hard for me to find a man shorter than me or (unless by taller you mean one or two inches taller at most) who is taller and weighs less.

But also, I’d pick the one with better personality and more things in common. Looks are great but not something that can compensate for other issues.

Let's rephrase the question to be a choice between a 5'5" buff man and a 6' man who is lean (but obviously, heavier than you), and they both have good personalities and share the same interests as you. Which one would you pick?

At this point, I’d genuinely flip a coin. They are both fine - I wouldn’t even view that as in any way settling or picking a lesser evil. (I come from generations of short people, men and women, who all managed to find mates - both my grandfathers were 5’5, my father is 5’6 and skinny is also fine unless it’s literally unhealthy.)

Haha this thread is a trigger for me. I'm 5'11 and 130 healthy long distance runner.

Ready here are the things women tell me. Men very very rarely comment on my weight. But women feel the need to...

I can break you
Do you eat?
You are so skinny omg
Eat donuts
Eat more
Eat pizza
Go to the gym

Haha .... Fun fun being skinny.

I don't care though because my fiance is incredibly hot.
I may be skinny but when erect I am 7.5 inch. And I am good in bed we are a good match.

But on a serious note she chose me because I am kind, a nerd (placed at math olympiads), great guitar player, great carpenter( I build a custom box for her engagement ring), and most importantly a great person.

And she made the right choice. I have been investing since I was 19. I am 29 today and already make $198k a year. Hopefully in a few years I'll make even more. Together as a team we will build a great family and we will be financially stable.

I can't change my genes. Every man in my family looks like a walking stick and we are very healthy with long longevity.

I am glad a lot of women turned me down for being skinny because the one who eventually picked me rejected most of the men who one would describe as 10/10 whatever that means

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Anonymous wrote:Ignore what women say and look at who women are with in public, and it goes something like this:
- 6'5" handsome rich guy has his pick of the litter
- 6'3" bad boy dominates superficial / casual relationships
- 5'10" UMC guy typically does well in LTRs with women who have had their fun and are ready to "settle"
- 5'6" guy with a great personality, terrific physique, and well-off financially stays single

tl;dr men require a bare minimum of height, looks, and finances to be successful in LTRs, and if they're lacking just enough in one of those areas, then no matter how much they improve the other two, they're f***ed.

Disagree. The 5’6” guy as you described will be snapped up. Money plus looks and great personality trump height.

You'd think so, but that's not what all the short men online are saying. They are frequently perceived as try-hards for working out, "compensating" with high income / luxury goods, and at best, will be told that it's a shame they're short, because otherwise they'd be a great catch.

Every shorter man I know that is good looking, wealthy, and charismatic is married is a beautiful wife by any standard and living great lives.

"Shorter", but not short? List their heights, please.

5’5”-5-8” range I would say.

OK, and what height are the wives respective to each husband?

Wives are equal height or taller

Sounds like they settled on the height issue and married for the $$ then. Women just don't seek out short height in the men they date.

taller and skinny. One can always gain muscle; one cannot gain height, especially for a man who doesn't wear high heels.

And I say this a really short woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignore what women say and look at who women are with in public, and it goes something like this:
- 6'5" handsome rich guy has his pick of the litter
- 6'3" bad boy dominates superficial / casual relationships
- 5'10" UMC guy typically does well in LTRs with women who have had their fun and are ready to "settle"
- 5'6" guy with a great personality, terrific physique, and well-off financially stays single

tl;dr men require a bare minimum of height, looks, and finances to be successful in LTRs, and if they're lacking just enough in one of those areas, then no matter how much they improve the other two, they're f***ed.

Disagree. The 5’6” guy as you described will be snapped up. Money plus looks and great personality trump height.

You'd think so, but that's not what all the short men online are saying. They are frequently perceived as try-hards for working out, "compensating" with high income / luxury goods, and at best, will be told that it's a shame they're short, because otherwise they'd be a great catch.

Every shorter man I know that is good looking, wealthy, and charismatic is married is a beautiful wife by any standard and living great lives.

"Shorter", but not short? List their heights, please.

5’5”-5-8” range I would say.

OK, and what height are the wives respective to each husband?

Wives are equal height or taller

Anonymous wrote:What an odd question and wouldn’t it depend on the woman’s own size? For example, I am 5’1 with a healthy BMI for that height. It would be pretty hard for me to find a man shorter than me or (unless by taller you mean one or two inches taller at most) who is taller and weighs less.

But also, I’d pick the one with better personality and more things in common. Looks are great but not something that can compensate for other issues.

Let's rephrase the question to be a choice between a 5'5" buff man and a 6' man who is lean (but obviously, heavier than you), and they both have good personalities and share the same interests as you. Which one would you pick?

Tall and skinny obviously. Isn't that my type? That's my type.

What an odd question and wouldn’t it depend on the woman’s own size? For example, I am 5’1 with a healthy BMI for that height. It would be pretty hard for me to find a man shorter than me or (unless by taller you mean one or two inches taller at most) who is taller and weighs less.

But also, I’d pick the one with better personality and more things in common. Looks are great but not something that can compensate for other issues.

Anonymous wrote:Skinny men are not as skinny as they think. Their reference is just a bunch of fat dudes like me. I'm 5'10 and 250 lbs and unfortunately a lot men are fat like me lol. Aren't 50% of Americans across gender overweight?

A man can be 5'9 and 145 and yet because he is a rarity in fat nation he feels insecure.

The women who say they don't a skinny dude are low key insecure about being with a guy who is a normal weight. I get it.

Close; obesity among Americans is nearly at 50%. Almost 75% of people are either overweight or obese.

Your third paragraph isn't wrong. People call me "skinny'" all the time at 6'6" 210lbs, despite having a slight gut. Whenever I turn down junk food and tell people I'm "watching my weight" or "getting too fat", they flip out.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a slightly taller than average woman (5'9'') who is an inch taller than my husband and I think these posts where people act like this is weird are hilarious. No one has ever acted like that in real life and I know multiple couples where the wife is taller. It's really not that rare. Not new either, my grandma was taller than my granddad.

Your husband is average height, not short. You are nearly 6 inches taller than the average woman (5 feet 3.5 inches), but still roughly the same height as DH, so NBD.

The problem I'm having with this thread is that some women are claiming "All the short men I know are married!", however...

1. They define any man who's less than 6ft (85% of men) as being "short"
2. They fail to mention the height of the women married to these "short" men

So they act like they "married short" (case in point: you), when in fact they married average, or they are leaving out the fact that these genuinely short men (5'6" or less) who are married, are with women their height or shorter, and not women who are disproportionately taller than them.

As a man, it is better to be tall and skinny (6' + 150 pounds) if you are focused on success in dating American women. Plenty of short, petite women in this country in major metro areas who will want you.

In my experience, women will take a shorter guy who weighs more than them. A guy who weighs less than a woman will automatically trigger her insecurity.

Skinny men are not as skinny as they think. Their reference is just a bunch of fat dudes like me. I'm 5'10 and 250 lbs and unfortunately a lot men are fat like me lol. Aren't 50% of Americans across gender overweight?

A man can be 5'9 and 145 and yet because he is a rarity in fat nation he feels insecure.

The women who say they don't a skinny dude are low key insecure about being with a guy who is a normal weight. I get it.

Taller. 6’ minimum.