Anonymous
12/18/2024 12:25
Subject: Re:EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
European automakers slash EV prices while raising ICE models.
European automakers are reducing prices on EVs while raising prices on their ICE models, all in hopes of avoiding hefty fines as the European Union’s new emissions rules tighten at the beginning of 2025.
On January 1, the EU will drastically lower its cap on automotive CO2 emissions, meaning at least 20% of all sales from most car companies must be electric models to avoid heavy fines, Reuters reports. This year, 13% of all new cars sold in the region have been electric, according to the ACEA.
https://electrek.co/2024/12/17/european-automakers-slash-ev-prices-while-raising-ice-models/
This is an interesting way to go. Germany tax incentives ended in 2023 but will be available for 2025. Current survey show 97% of EV driver will buy another EV and only 1% will not.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 17:40
Subject: Re:EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Can the Nation's Electrical Grid Support Electric Cars?
EV adoption has increased in recent years and is set to grow. Faced with these new demands, can our grid continue to provide reliable power? The short answer is: yes, the power grid can handle an ever-increasing number of electric vehicles on the roads.
Electricity production has increased by about 3% annually since 1950, while EVs will require only an additional 1% of capacity per year between now and 2050.
Still, upgrading the grid with state-of-the-art technology will help smooth the transition away from gas-powered cars.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/can-the-nations-electrical-grid-support-electric-cars
Anonymous
12/17/2024 17:38
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's hilarious to hear Republicans doing the ole "Harrumph, we can't let California do that!" yet if Texas banned EVs you'd all be celebrating and calling it a victory for states rights.
If liberals are going to pass these mandates, that essentially affect the federal market, then conservatives should do the same.
You conservatives Did it first so…
Anonymous
12/17/2024 13:22
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think you are confusing generation and capacity, energy vs power.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does our country even have the ability to produce all the electricity required to power all these cars?
Just did some math on this question because I’m curious and replacing 100% of current gasoline consumption in the US (135.7 billion gallons per year) would require around 1,700 Terawatts of additional electricity generation each year. Current utility scale electricity generation per year is around, 4,230 TW. So electricity generation needs to increase by 40% to electrify 100% of gasoline vehicles.
No I am not, I am talking about how much additional electricity would need to be produced in order to replace 100% of current gasoline consumption. Total generation capacity of the US grid is only around 1.3TW. Some of this generation capacity is demand response based and it is not economical to use demand response based electricity generation to boost annual electricity production by 40%. This will require a substantial number of new power plants.
You are correct. I got confused because you said generation and terawatts and I was expecting terawatthours. Capacity increased by 1.5% last year.
Looks like a 35% capacity factor. Solar and wind don't get that much.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 13:15
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think you are confusing generation and capacity, energy vs power.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does our country even have the ability to produce all the electricity required to power all these cars?
Just did some math on this question because I’m curious and replacing 100% of current gasoline consumption in the US (135.7 billion gallons per year) would require around 1,700 Terawatts of additional electricity generation each year. Current utility scale electricity generation per year is around, 4,230 TW. So electricity generation needs to increase by 40% to electrify 100% of gasoline vehicles.
No I am not, I am talking about how much additional electricity would need to be produced in order to replace 100% of current gasoline consumption. Total generation capacity of the US grid is only around 1.3TW. Some of this generation capacity is demand response based and it is not economical to use demand response based electricity generation to boost annual electricity production by 40%. This will require a substantial number of new power plants.
You are correct. I got confused because you said generation and terawatts and I was expecting terawatthours. Capacity increased by 1.5% last year.
It’s weird that you think personal attacks are called for to defend the honor of CARB? Are you okay?
Anonymous
12/17/2024 13:15
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:It's hilarious to hear Republicans doing the ole "Harrumph, we can't let California do that!" yet if Texas banned EVs you'd all be celebrating and calling it a victory for states rights.
If liberals are going to pass these mandates, that essentially affect the federal market, then conservatives should do the same.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 13:13
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think you are confusing generation and capacity, energy vs power.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does our country even have the ability to produce all the electricity required to power all these cars?
Just did some math on this question because I’m curious and replacing 100% of current gasoline consumption in the US (135.7 billion gallons per year) would require around 1,700 Terawatts of additional electricity generation each year. Current utility scale electricity generation per year is around, 4,230 TW. So electricity generation needs to increase by 40% to electrify 100% of gasoline vehicles.
No I am not, I am talking about how much additional electricity would need to be produced in order to replace 100% of current gasoline consumption. Total generation capacity of the US grid is only around 1.3TW. Some of this generation capacity is demand response based and it is not economical to use demand response based electricity generation to boost annual electricity production by 40%. This will require a substantial number of new power plants.
You are correct. I got confused because you said generation and terawatts and I was expecting terawatthours. Capacity increased by 1.5% last year.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 13:11
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:The California Air Resources Board lacks credibility when it comes to EV mandates. It’s crazy that history is repeating itself from their last failed attempt to mandate EV sales in the 90s. Just like last time, once the deadline comes they will quickly abandon it and move on. They are already not enforcing new zero emission truck rules that were supposed to come into effect this year.
Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. You lack credibility. It’s not an EV mandate idiot.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 13:10
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter at the current rate of exodus, no one will be left in CA to care.
Maybe I can go back to CA, then. It's an amazing place, if you have money. Beautiful coastline, awesome mountains, amazing forest and desert. I can grow fruits and vegetables almost year round there. I miss my meyer lemon tree and home grown tomatoes until close to December. And few mosquitoes, unlike here..ugh.
It’s all those amazing things, yes. And yet totally unlivable because of what liberals have done to it.
part of why it's unlivable is due to the high housing costs, which is not because of liberals, but because of how desirable it is to live there. Tons of high paying jobs, great weather and things to do year round.
But, I do agree, that progressives in CA are also not doing CA any favors.
Liberals pass all sorts of restrictions on new housing.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 13:09
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:The California Air Resources Board lacks credibility when it comes to EV mandates. It’s crazy that history is repeating itself from their last failed attempt to mandate EV sales in the 90s. Just like last time, once the deadline comes they will quickly abandon it and move on. They are already not enforcing new zero emission truck rules that were supposed to come into effect this year.
It’s not an EV mandate. It is a zero emission on new car sales by 2035. In 2023 California zero-emission vehicles made up 26.7% of new vehicle registrations in California, up from 20% in 2022, 12% in 2021 and 7-8% in 2020.
It’s funny you maga do not even understand what the mandate is but still feel comfortable mouthing off about it. Now you expect us to believe you on anything else? Hey do your own “research”.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 12:45
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
The California Air Resources Board lacks credibility when it comes to EV mandates. It’s crazy that history is repeating itself from their last failed attempt to mandate EV sales in the 90s. Just like last time, once the deadline comes they will quickly abandon it and move on. They are already not enforcing new zero emission truck rules that were supposed to come into effect this year.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 11:15
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
But we wanna roll coal! We cain’t be subsidizing ni darn lectric! I don’t care what them folks abroad is doing to corner the market. We need our fkin f250 diesels man.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 11:11
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
The EU has banned ICE cars by 2035 about 20% of the car market. China is the #1 car market in the world and 50% of their new car sales are NEVs(EVs and Hybrids). India's electric vehicle market is anticipated to expand at a CAGR of 28.52% to attain US$18.319 billion by 2029 from US$5.225 billion in 2024.
California and the 11 other states make up a 1/3 of the US new car market.
The winds are blowing.
California and the 11 other states make up a 1/3 of the US new car market.
The winds are blowing.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 10:46
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
Anonymous wrote:It's hilarious to hear Republicans doing the ole "Harrumph, we can't let California do that!" yet if Texas banned EVs you'd all be celebrating and calling it a victory for states rights.
Here is the lol apart Tesla can not sell cars in Texas. The oil interest block Tesla sales in the state by nit allowing dealerships. All Tesla sold in Texas come from neighboring states dealers.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 10:44
Subject: EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035
EVs equal clean air?
No, there's still a smokestack somewhere making electricity for you to drive.
But automakers can charge a lot more for an EV and soak up tax dollars thru subsidies. So the consumer is cut out of the decision making process. More and more of our economy is CAPTURED by big companies and Washington DC working together to screw the individual with less choice and less competition. Guaranteed outcomes are being forced upon consumers by the political establishment. That's really what's happening. If you can't see that, you're blind.
No, there's still a smokestack somewhere making electricity for you to drive.
But automakers can charge a lot more for an EV and soak up tax dollars thru subsidies. So the consumer is cut out of the decision making process. More and more of our economy is CAPTURED by big companies and Washington DC working together to screw the individual with less choice and less competition. Guaranteed outcomes are being forced upon consumers by the political establishment. That's really what's happening. If you can't see that, you're blind.