Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 09:31     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This friends and family want Trump to succeed so “ his voters” can learn a lesson.
Some want Obama care repealed, all illegal immigrants deported and heavy crackdown on crime including shoplifting,
and on and on.
Most are well off business people and professionals and will benefit from the tax cuts and becoming Trump police supporters after they voted for KH and are so disappointed after she lost.



There would be overwhelming bipartisan support for a heavy crackdown on violent crime - including the thugs that are shoplifting every CVS and Walgreens. Only the progressives are cheering for the carjackers and thieves, and that's one of the reasons Democrats lost. And included in that, there would be great enthusiasm for expelling the 400,000 illegal migrants that have committed crimes in this country.

But health care is the quiet third rail in politics. As the murder of the United Healthcare CEO demonstrated, there is a broad nationwide, bipartisan loathing of the private insurance companies in this country. Optimistically, I like to think that event might behoove Republicans to develop a plan that actually helps working and middle class Americans. Health care in the US hasn't been discussed by Democrats in a decade. They foolishly abandoned the issue. There's a lot of space for Trump to be the hero, and hopefully he seizes on that and makes non-employment based healthcare accessible for working and middle class Americans. Can you imagine how many businesses would be launched if people didn't have to worry about losing mediocre health insurance? The economy would be a rocket ship if we could detach health insurance from corporate employment.


Progressives are not cheering for carjackings and thieves. What world are you living in that you believe this?

Progressives merely suggest that the penalties for certain crimes, like marijuana possession, are excessive.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 09:29     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes.
And we can start on December 20. If the democrats don’t get everything they want for the CR, then they should not help Johnson pass it.

The democrats need to stop being patsies. No more compromise. The democrats tried that with the lankford bill and it was a disaster.


Democrats need to start promoting policies that US voters want


They have been if you believe polling.

Most people want better healthcare.
Most people want more jobs and better wages.
Most people want clean air and water.
Most people want sensible gun control.
Most people want a secure border.
Most people want Roe.

These are all things democrats support and GOP opposes (as evidenced, for example, by killing the bipartisan border bill this past spring)
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 09:27     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This friends and family want Trump to succeed so “ his voters” can learn a lesson.
Some want Obama care repealed, all illegal immigrants deported and heavy crackdown on crime including shoplifting,
and on and on.
Most are well off business people and professionals and will benefit from the tax cuts and becoming Trump police supporters after they voted for KH and are so disappointed after she lost.


All true Americans want their POTUS to succeed. The problem is; when you elect elderly people like Trump and Biden to perform this very demanding job, the odds of success aren't good. 2nd graders can figure this out but not eligible American voters.


Age isn't the factor here.

Biden has run a great administration. The economy is the best in the world, we have seen a couple of bad regimes fall with a couple of others teetering.

The issue is competence. Trump has already proven through his businesses and university and previous presidential administration, that he doesn't have any. the next 4 years are going to be brutal.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 09:25     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes.
And we can start on December 20. If the democrats don’t get everything they want for the CR, then they should not help Johnson pass it.

The democrats need to stop being patsies. No more compromise. The democrats tried that with the lankford bill and it was a disaster.


Dems should do zero to help Johnson unless it benefits Democrats. Let the GOP shut down the government. It's going to be a turbulent ride so fasten your seat belts!


This would work except Democrats are the party of government. They have too much to lose.
They can't stomach having less government workers or a cut in pay.


Schedule F will force a reduction in the number of government workers regardless of anything democrats do.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 09:24     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What are us working class progressives supposed to do while our wealthy friends reap the rewards? Was all of that talk about “community” just BS meant to make yourself feel better?


It wasn’t a BS until the election, but I think the well off liberals are sitting down with a popcorn to enjoy the show.


This.

"well off" liberals will gain financially from Trump and will be able to ride any storm in terms of healthcare etc.

The most damage from Trump's policies will be done to his core voters, including the rank and file teamsters who will lose overtime pay (according to Project 2025) and eventually be replaced by automated long haul trucks. Oh well.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 09:22     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This friends and family want Trump to succeed so “ his voters” can learn a lesson.
Some want Obama care repealed, all illegal immigrants deported and heavy crackdown on crime including shoplifting,
and on and on.
Most are well off business people and professionals and will benefit from the tax cuts and becoming Trump police supporters after they voted for KH and are so disappointed after she lost.


I'm a moderate Democrat and support a lot of his policies - better border control and harder on crime (including petty theft). I also want him to leave alone Obamacare, benefits like SS/Medicare and other social programs, and increase taxes to balance the budget. I'm also not White and continue to be wary of his racist rhetoric.
Now that he's won with broad support, he has a once in a lifetime opportunity - pivot towards the middle, do what's necessary for the real majority in the country, and become of the greatest presidents. This would also help ensure Republican victory for a very long time. Not very hopeful however.. Trump already had this opportunity during Covid and BLM to show leadership in that direction and miserably failed.


He barely won, less than a percent and below a 50% majority of voters. There is no "broad" support.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 09:20     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This friends and family want Trump to succeed so “ his voters” can learn a lesson.
Some want Obama care repealed, all illegal immigrants deported and heavy crackdown on crime including shoplifting,
and on and on.
Most are well off business people and professionals and will benefit from the tax cuts and becoming Trump police supporters after they voted for KH and are so disappointed after she lost.


Pretty much where I am. what is your point?



I am surprised my liberal friends are now strong Trump policy supporters.


I am the person you are responding to. I don't support Trump's policies, but lets face it, they will be a shitshow and it is what the American public narrowly voted for. What they didn't vote for are cuts to medicaid and social security, nor did they vote for replacing the dollar with crypto or an oligarch class within the government, but that is what we are going to get, and I pray that in 2026, there are meaningful elections to provide a real check and balance to the 2028 elections. Otherwise our country is toast.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 08:52     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:Democrats ran a poor campaign based on whether voters would hate Trump. It was the same in 2016 and didn't work.


It worked in 2020. Let Trump implement his crazy tariffs and avocados and other produce become luxury goods. And let our water supply get contaminated when he eliminates environmental regulation. Then people will see why you need a smart government for a civilized world…
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 08:50     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've been pleasantly surprised that the Democrats are taking such a congenial approach. I genuinely expected widespread rioting and large protests. I'm still expecting continued assassination attempts. But in general, the Democrats appear to be accepting the results of the election, which was a pleasant surprise. It gives me hope that we might not be as close to disintegration as I had feared.


Right, because we’re not crazy like the Trump followers. It’s bizarre that you thought we wouldn’t accept or believe election results.


Democrats don’t kill police officers and storm the Capitol when they don’t win an election. That’s Republican crazy s***.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 08:49     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:So much stupid here. Some of you sound fresh off the troll farm.


This is not a troll this seems the general consensus attitude with a segment of democrats.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 08:49     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes.
And we can start on December 20. If the democrats don’t get everything they want for the CR, then they should not help Johnson pass it.

The democrats need to stop being patsies. No more compromise. The democrats tried that with the lankford bill and it was a disaster.


Maybe if that tool Hakim Jeffries would stop referring to his colleagues as "extreme MAGA republicans," he would get some cooperation.


Oh my God. You have got to be kidding. When Obama definitively won his election all the Republicans got together and resolved to oppose everything he did. The GOP is on its own.



It’s not the GOP that’s on its own but the Democrats Jeffries saying he wants to work in a bi partisan way with the extreme MAGA Republicans rings hollow
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 08:42     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:I've been pleasantly surprised that the Democrats are taking such a congenial approach. I genuinely expected widespread rioting and large protests. I'm still expecting continued assassination attempts. But in general, the Democrats appear to be accepting the results of the election, which was a pleasant surprise. It gives me hope that we might not be as close to disintegration as I had feared.


Right, because we’re not crazy like the Trump followers. It’s bizarre that you thought we wouldn’t accept or believe election results.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 08:38     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
So much stupid here. Some of you sound fresh off the troll farm.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 08:35     Subject: I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:I've been pleasantly surprised that the Democrats are taking such a congenial approach. I genuinely expected widespread rioting and large protests. I'm still expecting continued assassination attempts. But in general, the Democrats appear to be accepting the results of the election, which was a pleasant surprise. It gives me hope that we might not be as close to disintegration as I had feared.


I am talking about regular voters but they want him to succeed and implement all his promises.
I talked with Doctors who want him to implement “kind of a plan” for health care.
Environmentalist who want Elon to succeed with wiping out regulations so voters can learn a lesson.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 08:30     Subject: Re:I am talking to a lot of Democrats who want Trump to succeed.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes.
And we can start on December 20. If the democrats don’t get everything they want for the CR, then they should not help Johnson pass it.

The democrats need to stop being patsies. No more compromise. The democrats tried that with the lankford bill and it was a disaster.


Democrats need to start promoting policies that US voters want


Democratic leadership and the DNC need to stay out of the way so that normal/legitimate POTUS candidates can come to the forefront in an organic manner. "Policies" are never a problem when the party leader is a legitimate leader like an Obama or Clinton.