Anonymous
Post 12/15/2024 09:58     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:I must be missing something. What crime was committed?

Right wingers have essentially enshrined our rights to be heavily armed and say offensive things. The fellas had their guns legally and every right to them, as was evidenced when the court retuned them. They’re allowed to have banners with slogans you don’t like. This is about today’s America as you can get. So what’s the problem?



I am almost certain if the situation were reversed and anti-muslin rhetoric was spewed etc..., they would be reprimanded harshly.
Anonymous
Post 12/13/2024 22:16     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:Why is this not national news?


Quite a few news agencies have been found to allow reporters and photographers with ties to Hamas-some of these news-people were let go, but not all.

Look at the reporting on World Central Kitchen. The news tried to make it sound like Israel intentionally targeted them, without mentioning Hamas's involvement and recently WCK fired a number of workers for terrorist ties and it gets far less press.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2024 01:16     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:Why is this not national news?


Because it is reported by MAGA "media" that may not have their facts straight?
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 22:34     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish, am glad the state of Israel exists (though I wish it had a different government and had made a lot of different choices along the way), and am an active member of a large synagogue in D.C. But I have a hard time getting particularly worked up about what the FBI found here.

It's not illegal to say "death to the Jews" in an abstract sense as long as it's not an imminent threat. It's not illegal to have flags supporting Hamas or any other movement, no matter how loathsome many of us find Hamas to be. And unfortunately, in most cases, it's not illegal to have guns or ammo, either.

So what exactly is the problem here?


Because they were found in the house of people suspected of crimes related to support for those terrorist organizations. The fact that the antisemitic writings were discovered also is a fact supporting that the other crimes were hate crimes - the first amendment does not apply to hate crimes.


Where do you get the idea that they're suspected of crimes related to support for terrorist organizations? That's not mentioned at all in the Post story about the search, which says the FBI didn't give any reason for it. And anyway, owning antisemitic books or even writing them is not illegal.


Good thing, too, or half the posters on this thread could be arrested.

FFS.


It's true, though -- the most vile antisemitic writings are protected by the same First Amendment that gives us the right to practice Judaism in this country. It would not, on balance, be good for anyone if the government could suddenly start arresting you for espousing the wrong opinions.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 20:52     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish, am glad the state of Israel exists (though I wish it had a different government and had made a lot of different choices along the way), and am an active member of a large synagogue in D.C. But I have a hard time getting particularly worked up about what the FBI found here.

It's not illegal to say "death to the Jews" in an abstract sense as long as it's not an imminent threat. It's not illegal to have flags supporting Hamas or any other movement, no matter how loathsome many of us find Hamas to be. And unfortunately, in most cases, it's not illegal to have guns or ammo, either.

So what exactly is the problem here?


Because they were found in the house of people suspected of crimes related to support for those terrorist organizations. The fact that the antisemitic writings were discovered also is a fact supporting that the other crimes were hate crimes - the first amendment does not apply to hate crimes.


Where do you get the idea that they're suspected of crimes related to support for terrorist organizations? That's not mentioned at all in the Post story about the search, which says the FBI didn't give any reason for it. And anyway, owning antisemitic books or even writing them is not illegal.


The red flag law exists precisely for this reason - to temporarily take away the guns until they can figure out wtf is going on.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 20:38     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish, am glad the state of Israel exists (though I wish it had a different government and had made a lot of different choices along the way), and am an active member of a large synagogue in D.C. But I have a hard time getting particularly worked up about what the FBI found here.

It's not illegal to say "death to the Jews" in an abstract sense as long as it's not an imminent threat. It's not illegal to have flags supporting Hamas or any other movement, no matter how loathsome many of us find Hamas to be. And unfortunately, in most cases, it's not illegal to have guns or ammo, either.

So what exactly is the problem here?


Because they were found in the house of people suspected of crimes related to support for those terrorist organizations. The fact that the antisemitic writings were discovered also is a fact supporting that the other crimes were hate crimes - the first amendment does not apply to hate crimes.


Where do you get the idea that they're suspected of crimes related to support for terrorist organizations? That's not mentioned at all in the Post story about the search, which says the FBI didn't give any reason for it. And anyway, owning antisemitic books or even writing them is not illegal.


Good thing, too, or half the posters on this thread could be arrested.

FFS.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 20:30     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish, am glad the state of Israel exists (though I wish it had a different government and had made a lot of different choices along the way), and am an active member of a large synagogue in D.C. But I have a hard time getting particularly worked up about what the FBI found here.

It's not illegal to say "death to the Jews" in an abstract sense as long as it's not an imminent threat. It's not illegal to have flags supporting Hamas or any other movement, no matter how loathsome many of us find Hamas to be. And unfortunately, in most cases, it's not illegal to have guns or ammo, either.

So what exactly is the problem here?


Because they were found in the house of people suspected of crimes related to support for those terrorist organizations. The fact that the antisemitic writings were discovered also is a fact supporting that the other crimes were hate crimes - the first amendment does not apply to hate crimes.


Where do you get the idea that they're suspected of crimes related to support for terrorist organizations? That's not mentioned at all in the Post story about the search, which says the FBI didn't give any reason for it. And anyway, owning antisemitic books or even writing them is not illegal.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 17:11     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:lol the fBI goes after anti genocide protesters. You think the FBI would have better thing to do? It is disgusting that GMU is pro genocide.


They went after people who had guns, ammo, terrorist flags and messages of "death to America" and these ladies had already defaced property.


None of those things are illegal, and they haven't been charged with defacing property despite months of investigation.


Arrests often precede charges. Under the circumstances, given what was found during the search, I'd much prefer preemptive action to a wait and see approach. If nothing else, law enforcement intervention may have prevented what was initially merely vile and odious speech from evolving into violence.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 16:18     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:lol the fBI goes after anti genocide protesters. You think the FBI would have better thing to do? It is disgusting that GMU is pro genocide.


They went after people who had guns, ammo, terrorist flags and messages of "death to America" and these ladies had already defaced property.


None of those things are illegal, and they haven't been charged with defacing property despite months of investigation.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 15:57     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:lol the fBI goes after anti genocide protesters. You think the FBI would have better thing to do? It is disgusting that GMU is pro genocide.


They went after people who had guns, ammo, terrorist flags and messages of "death to America" and these ladies had already defaced property.

Does defacing public property constitute search and seizure? If so, the Jan 6 Insurrectionists should've all had their guns taken away, but Trump is going to pardon them, I believe.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 15:53     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:lol the fBI goes after anti genocide protesters. You think the FBI would have better thing to do? It is disgusting that GMU is pro genocide.


They went after people who had guns, ammo, terrorist flags and messages of "death to America" and these ladies had already defaced property.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 15:11     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t the Democrats do something when they were in charge?



They did.



They made sure these would-be terrorists weren’t interfered with.

eh.. Rs are fine with white nationalists orgs, even as the FBI stated that they were more of a threat to the US than external terrorist groups.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2024 15:06     Subject: FBI Raid of SJP George Mason leaders found guns, ammo, terrorist flags and "death to Jews"
lol the fBI goes after anti genocide protesters. You think the FBI would have better thing to do? It is disgusting that GMU is pro genocide.