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Anonymous wrote:It's the Ivy League, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Hopkins, Caltech, and Berkeley.

Top publics like UCLA, UVA, UMich, and UNC are widely respected and regarded as terrific schools, but people wouldn't consider them "elite", per se.

^^^ thinks Berkeley is a private institution, and/or hasn’t paid attention to the last decade of public institution rankings.

They stated Berkeley is elite. It is certainly more elite than UCLA, even if UCLA is higher ranked. There's no way to explain the magnitude that Berkeley has had on science, culture, the humanities, etc. It is both a school that is esteemed in academia but also has great outcomes in industry.

Continue to think what you’d like; the UC regents don’t share your view, and the admissions data and USNWR rankings for the past decade certainly don’t disagree.

Berkeley is still a great school. It’s just not UCLA (or Michigan). I guess it’s most similar to Wisconsin in that its peak occurred around 40+ years ago.

Berkeley is undoubtably a better school and its peer review score reflects this reality. Pretty sure Berkeley had higher test scores before test ban in CA, too. UCLA is to Berkeley as VTech is to Tulane. New kid on the block, not as good, only ranked where it is because of USNWR's going rogue.

NP. This is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. All of it. I love it when DCUM randos make these grand proclamations.

Everyone saying Berkeley is on the same level of UCLA clearly know nothing about academia. Can you make a great sum graduating from either? Sure. But, academically, yes, Berkeley is a much more prestigious institution than UCLA, and its research output isn't topped in the US.

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Ivy League, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Hopkins, Caltech, and Berkeley.

Top publics like UCLA, UVA, UMich, and UNC are widely respected and regarded as terrific schools, but people wouldn't consider them "elite", per se.

^^^ thinks Berkeley is a private institution, and/or hasn’t paid attention to the last decade of public institution rankings.

They stated Berkeley is elite. It is certainly more elite than UCLA, even if UCLA is higher ranked. There's no way to explain the magnitude that Berkeley has had on science, culture, the humanities, etc. It is both a school that is esteemed in academia but also has great outcomes in industry.

Continue to think what you’d like; the UC regents don’t share your view, and the admissions data and USNWR rankings for the past decade certainly don’t disagree.

Berkeley is still a great school. It’s just not UCLA (or Michigan). I guess it’s most similar to Wisconsin in that its peak occurred around 40+ years ago.

Berkeley is undoubtably a better school and its peer review score reflects this reality. Pretty sure Berkeley had higher test scores before test ban in CA, too. UCLA is to Berkeley as VTech is to Tulane. New kid on the block, not as good, only ranked where it is because of USNWR's going rogue.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Ivy League, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Hopkins, Caltech, and Berkeley.

Top publics like UCLA, UVA, UMich, and UNC are widely respected and regarded as terrific schools, but people wouldn't consider them "elite", per se.

^^^ thinks Berkeley is a private institution, and/or hasn’t paid attention to the last decade of public institution rankings.

They stated Berkeley is elite. It is certainly more elite than UCLA, even if UCLA is higher ranked. There's no way to explain the magnitude that Berkeley has had on science, culture, the humanities, etc. It is both a school that is esteemed in academia but also has great outcomes in industry.

Continue to think what you’d like; the UC regents don’t share your view, and the admissions data and USNWR rankings for the past decade certainly don’t disagree.

Berkeley is still a great school. It’s just not UCLA (or Michigan). I guess it’s most similar to Wisconsin in that its peak occurred around 40+ years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Ivy League, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Hopkins, Caltech, and Berkeley.

Top publics like UCLA, UVA, UMich, and UNC are widely respected and regarded as terrific schools, but people wouldn't consider them "elite", per se.

^^^ thinks Berkeley is a private institution, and/or hasn’t paid attention to the last decade of public institution rankings.

The poster didn't actually say that Berkeley is a private institution.

Berkeley has a more elite reputation than UCLA. UCLA is more popular today but that's because it is more fun than Berkeley, not because of academics.

They included Berkeley with 14 privates, and then began their next paragraph with “Top publics like …”

So no - they didn’t realize it’s a public.

But they did. It's just an elite public school. You seem really stupid. The question: How many elite top schools?
They responded with those colleges, Berkeley happens to be the only public one. The part you missed was they responded "Top publics like...but, people wouldn't consider them 'elite'." Perhaps a close reading course at Berkeley, the number 1 English department in the country, could've been helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Ivy League, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Hopkins, Caltech, and Berkeley.

Top publics like UCLA, UVA, UMich, and UNC are widely respected and regarded as terrific schools, but people wouldn't consider them "elite", per se.

^^^ thinks Berkeley is a private institution, and/or hasn’t paid attention to the last decade of public institution rankings.

The poster didn't actually say that Berkeley is a private institution.

Berkeley has a more elite reputation than UCLA. UCLA is more popular today but that's because it is more fun than Berkeley, not because of academics.

They included Berkeley with 14 privates, and then began their next paragraph with “Top publics like …”

So no - they didn’t realize it’s a public.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Ivy League, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Hopkins, Caltech, and Berkeley.

Top publics like UCLA, UVA, UMich, and UNC are widely respected and regarded as terrific schools, but people wouldn't consider them "elite", per se.

^^^ thinks Berkeley is a private institution, and/or hasn’t paid attention to the last decade of public institution rankings.

They stated Berkeley is elite. It is certainly more elite than UCLA, even if UCLA is higher ranked. There's no way to explain the magnitude that Berkeley has had on science, culture, the humanities, etc. It is both a school that is esteemed in academia but also has great outcomes in industry.

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Anonymous wrote:Minerva University is the hardest school to get into,1 percent acceptance rate. Way easier to get into Harvard

It is an elite school but very niche.

Minerva is not niche. They count anyone who opens an applications as an applicant, so the acceptance rate is bs. Unlike elite colleges, they do not produce meaningful graduates in academia or industry to be deemed elite.

Harvard, MIT, Stanford (and probably Caltech) are the inly schools where it is not assumed you didn't get in somewhere else you probably wanted to go.

Anonymous wrote:Some colleges Cooper Union are super hard to get into but most folks don't know them.

+1

Anonymous wrote:Minerva University is the hardest school to get into,1 percent acceptance rate. Way easier to get into Harvard

It is an elite school but very niche.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Ivy League, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Hopkins, Caltech, and Berkeley.

Top publics like UCLA, UVA, UMich, and UNC are widely respected and regarded as terrific schools, but people wouldn't consider them "elite", per se.

^^^ thinks Berkeley is a private institution, and/or hasn’t paid attention to the last decade of public institution rankings.

The poster didn't actually say that Berkeley is a private institution.

Berkeley has a more elite reputation than UCLA. UCLA is more popular today but that's because it is more fun than Berkeley, not because of academics.

Minerva University is the hardest school to get into,1 percent acceptance rate. Way easier to get into Harvard