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Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

lol wtf?!

Michigan:

History: 2
Political science: 4

engineering: 9

biostats: 4
chemistry: 14
comp sci: 10
economics: 12
Physics: 13

math: 12

Fluke rankings brought in through lateral hires from Wisconsin. If Wisconsin leaves the UW system, it can hire its faculty back and end Michigan’s temporary superiority in actual academic subjects. But you still didn’t refute the fact that Wisconsin is a more historically prestigious university.

Wut? Is there some magical point in history that was a “true” reflection of university prestige? Oxford and Cambridge were considered backwards compared to Continental universities for several centuries. In any event, who cares? There is no such thing as ranking an ordinal ranking of universities as a whole. It’s all made up.

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Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

lol wtf?!

Michigan:

History: 2
Political science: 4

engineering: 9

biostats: 4
chemistry: 14
comp sci: 10
economics: 12
Physics: 13

math: 12

Fluke rankings brought in through lateral hires from Wisconsin. If Wisconsin leaves the UW system, it can hire its faculty back and end Michigan’s temporary superiority in actual academic subjects. But you still didn’t refute the fact that Wisconsin is a more historically prestigious university.

DP. But historically when? Definitely not any time in the 21st century.

From 1890 to 1990

One of the best evidence for this is that Wisconsin and Michigan are both among the top 5 institutions for granting tenure track PHDs. Given that Michigan has always had the better trade schools of law and business, presuming at least some of those go into academia and Wisconsin’s can’t, then academia must be disproportionately hiring Wisconsin PHDs from all other disciplines for Mich and Wisc to both make the list.

Also, Wisc has the most Fortune 500 ceos, despite only having a good undergraduate business program. UW was so historically prestigious in fields like humanities, Econ, or engineering, that these ceos got their first jobs in national corporations.

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Anonymous wrote:if you go by lacrosse and other sports:

Johns Hopkins
NU
Michigan
Ucla
Usc
illinois
umd
the rest

Johns Hopkins is not better than Northwestern. And it's not really in the Big Ten.

Hopkins the number 1 research institution in the country by far and much more important to the United States than NU.

Anonymous wrote:if you go by lacrosse and other sports:

Johns Hopkins
NU
Michigan
Ucla
Usc
illinois
umd
the rest

Johns Hopkins is not better than Northwestern. And it's not really in the Big Ten.

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Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

lol wtf?!

Michigan:

History: 2
Political science: 4

engineering: 9

biostats: 4
chemistry: 14
comp sci: 10
economics: 12
Physics: 13

math: 12

Fluke rankings brought in through lateral hires from Wisconsin. If Wisconsin leaves the UW system, it can hire its faculty back and end Michigan’s temporary superiority in actual academic subjects. But you still didn’t refute the fact that Wisconsin is a more historically prestigious university.

DP. But historically when? Definitely not any time in the 21st century.

From 1890 to 1990

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

lol wtf?!

Michigan:

History: 2
Political science: 4

engineering: 9

biostats: 4
chemistry: 14
comp sci: 10
economics: 12
Physics: 13

math: 12

Fluke rankings brought in through lateral hires from Wisconsin. If Wisconsin leaves the UW system, it can hire its faculty back and end Michigan’s temporary superiority in actual academic subjects. But you still didn’t refute the fact that Wisconsin is a more historically prestigious university.

DP. But historically when? Definitely not any time in the 21st century.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

lol wtf?!

Michigan:

History: 2
Political science: 4

engineering: 9

biostats: 4
chemistry: 14
comp sci: 10
economics: 12
Physics: 13

math: 12

Fluke rankings brought in through lateral hires from Wisconsin. If Wisconsin leaves the UW system, it can hire its faculty back and end Michigan’s temporary superiority in actual academic subjects. But you still didn’t refute the fact that Wisconsin is a more historically prestigious university.

Anonymous wrote:NW

UCLA

Michigan/USC

Illinois, Wisconsin,UMD, Washington, Rutgers,Purdue

Ohio State, Indiana, Minnesota

Penn State, Iowa,

Michigan State

Oregon, Nebraska

Just looking at this list … the Big Ten has really done things right. What a bunch of great schools. The research giants of UCLA, Michigan, Wisconsin, Washington, UMD and big budgets of most of the rest is really powerful. Associate member Hopkins is the biggest by far. There is a definite theme and blueprint.

Makes me wonder if they expand by two… would they rather have UNC and Duke for research or Notre Dame, Arizona/Colorado for TV football .. mountain zone programming, easier travel for sports

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

lol wtf?!

Michigan:

History: 2
Political science: 4

engineering: 9

biostats: 4
chemistry: 14
comp sci: 10
economics: 12
Physics: 13

math: 12

The Big Ten Academic Alliance has compiled a variety of metrics you might want to use to compare the schools:

https://btaa.org/docs/default-source/reports/2022-at-a-glance-for-members-report.pdf?sfvrsn=2675531f_5

Anonymous wrote:NW

UCLA

Michigan/USC

Illinois, Wisconsin,UMD, Washington, Rutgers,Purdue

Ohio State, Indiana, Minnesota

Penn State, Iowa,

Michigan State

Oregon, Nebraska

+1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

This was true when I went to Michigan law in the 1980s, but honestly nobody at Mich cared, unless you were a dual degree student. One guy wanted a PHD/JD, so he did his PHD at Wisconsin which had a legendary economics department at that point. Honestly, nowadays, academia has kinda imploded. College is way too expensive, and given the investment, most people want to pursue trades like business and law which have really good ROIs ( assuming you go to a decent school)

Anonymous wrote:Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

Michigan historically is a trade school. Its academics such as history, math, or stem do not compete favorably with Wisconsin or Northwestern when considering cumulative historical prestige. Too much obsession with trade schools like business in this sub.

Where would Michigan honors stand with respect to Northwestern?

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland and Rutgers are up and comers. Maryland in particular is the school I'd expect to go up reputation wise more than any other in the Big Ten. They were early investing in tech-related STEM and have a state with comparably high incomes and test scores.

Umd incoming SAT/ACT higher than all except NU, USC, Michigan and UCLA.

Agree that Umd is a great school. But with test optional, hard to understand what SAT/ACT means. Also, UCLA does not look at SAT at all!

Prior to optional that was the deal. Testing will return and Maryland tests high