Anonymous
11/20/2024 15:15
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Houses should be renovated every 10-12 years and buyers expect that. No one under 45 wants to have a project they want HGTV move in ready.
that’s mentally deranged. I guess this is why millennials complain about being unable to afford homes.
That is deranged. Who can afford to “renovate” an entire house every 10 years? Two bathrooms and a kitchen cost me over 100k.
One bathroom cost me $75k.
We were able to renovate a bathroom 2 years a go for 20k but it was pull and replace, again you have to be very wary of the layout of the house and rooms and think ahead if its a good idea.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 15:13
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:it depends on how dated the house looks. If your kitchen has a proper range hood built in appliances and working cabinets then you could get away with sprucing it up however if its got the terrible microwave above the oven or the down draft many people will pass
If you are passing on a house you like and can afford because it has a downdraft, you're an idiot and deserve to spend your life in a rental housing.
+1 -- why would you want the seller to replace that when you obviously have very specific ideas about what you want anyway? Just bake it into your offer price and plan on replacing it. You aren't even talking about a full scale remodel, you are quibbling over a single appliance. This is like passing on a house because you don't like the tile in the second bathroom. Why would owners sit around trying to guess what people like you are going to to want when they could just sell their homes as is and let you figure it out once you buy.
This isn't even what OP is talking about -- they are talking about a 20 year old kitchen with dated cabinets and likely layout that needs a fullscale lift. And the reason it doesn't make sense for OP to do that lift is that no matter how they renovate it, picky buyers will complain even about the brand new cabinets and appliances. Why bother.
This is one of the dumbest things about the modern real estate market -- the idea that every house for sale must be Instagram worthy and perfectly finished. Why? Buy the house and fix it up. That's how it's supposed to work.
No, thanks. I don’t want a project that requires rerouting plumbing and electrical, adding a new vent, cutting into walls, etc. I just want to move in. If the kitchen has a good layout and I only need to think about pulling and replacing appliances or cabinets, I might consider it, but I’m not interested in rearranging walls or structural changes. No one in my age range wants to deal with this; we’re all juggling multiple jobs and raising kids. We’ll just keep waiting.
For context, since my first house in 2005, I’ve followed this rule, and it’s worked out great for me. My first house involved pulling and replacing, which was a hassle but manageable. My second house was a flip, and that worked out perfectly. My third house was a new build that was move-in ready, and my last home was a custom build from the ground up to my specifications.
Building the custom home took a lot of time, and I’m not sure I’d want to go through that process again. For reference, I’m under 45.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 15:08
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Houses should be renovated every 10-12 years and buyers expect that. No one under 45 wants to have a project they want HGTV move in ready.
that’s mentally deranged. I guess this is why millennials complain about being unable to afford homes.
That is deranged. Who can afford to “renovate” an entire house every 10 years? Two bathrooms and a kitchen cost me over 100k.
One bathroom cost me $75k.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 15:08
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Houses should be renovated every 10-12 years and buyers expect that. No one under 45 wants to have a project they want HGTV move in ready.
that’s mentally deranged. I guess this is why millennials complain about being unable to afford homes.
That is deranged. Who can afford to “renovate” an entire house every 10 years? Two bathrooms and a kitchen cost me over 100k.
apparently you expect the younger buyers to take on the burden of your lack of maintenance and responsibilities, sad
The only sad thing is that you believe yourself to be rational
Anonymous
11/20/2024 15:07
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Trump should target for tariffs countries that produce crappy cabinets, appliances, f tile, light fixtures and West Elm Pottery Barn and other crappy furniture like IKEA and rate and Barrel. People could no longer afford to buy the junk and live with “outdated” kitchen cabinets and re-use quality furniture.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 15:02
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Houses should be renovated every 10-12 years and buyers expect that. No one under 45 wants to have a project they want HGTV move in ready.
Do people still watch HGTV or is that a meme for people who lack taste?
Anonymous
11/20/2024 14:23
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Hope the house isn’t big. People don’t want that anymore.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 13:58
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Houses should be renovated every 10-12 years and buyers expect that. No one under 45 wants to have a project they want HGTV move in ready.
that’s mentally deranged. I guess this is why millennials complain about being unable to afford homes.
That is deranged. Who can afford to “renovate” an entire house every 10 years? Two bathrooms and a kitchen cost me over 100k.
apparently you expect the younger buyers to take on the burden of your lack of maintenance and responsibilities, sad
Renovating a kitchen every 10-12 years is not "responsible maintenance." Maintenance means getting appliances regularly serviced and replacing them in a timely manner, addressing defects promptly, and keeping a property clean and in good working order. It does not mean replacing the 2014 era cabinets with new ones because trends have shifted from all white kitchens to navy blue kitchens.
If you want a new build just go buy a new build. It will cost you more. Suck it up.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 13:58
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:If you can do the renovation at a very price effective cost, you can get back much more than what you put in. This is basically what flippers do.
Flippers often lose money. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 13:56
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:it depends on how dated the house looks. If your kitchen has a proper range hood built in appliances and working cabinets then you could get away with sprucing it up however if its got the terrible microwave above the oven or the down draft many people will pass
If you are passing on a house you like and can afford because it has a downdraft, you're an idiot and deserve to spend your life in a rental housing.
+1 -- why would you want the seller to replace that when you obviously have very specific ideas about what you want anyway? Just bake it into your offer price and plan on replacing it. You aren't even talking about a full scale remodel, you are quibbling over a single appliance. This is like passing on a house because you don't like the tile in the second bathroom. Why would owners sit around trying to guess what people like you are going to to want when they could just sell their homes as is and let you figure it out once you buy.
This isn't even what OP is talking about -- they are talking about a 20 year old kitchen with dated cabinets and likely layout that needs a fullscale lift. And the reason it doesn't make sense for OP to do that lift is that no matter how they renovate it, picky buyers will complain even about the brand new cabinets and appliances. Why bother.
This is one of the dumbest things about the modern real estate market -- the idea that every house for sale must be Instagram worthy and perfectly finished. Why? Buy the house and fix it up. That's how it's supposed to work.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 13:48
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
If you can do the renovation at a very price effective cost, you can get back much more than what you put in. This is basically what flippers do.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 13:44
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Houses should be renovated every 10-12 years and buyers expect that. No one under 45 wants to have a project they want HGTV move in ready.
that’s mentally deranged. I guess this is why millennials complain about being unable to afford homes.
That is deranged. Who can afford to “renovate” an entire house every 10 years? Two bathrooms and a kitchen cost me over 100k.
apparently you expect the younger buyers to take on the burden of your lack of maintenance and responsibilities, sad
It’s called homeownership. Which must seem strange to someone used to calling a landlord for all their problems. First time home buyers have a lot to learn.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 13:32
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Houses should be renovated every 10-12 years and buyers expect that. No one under 45 wants to have a project they want HGTV move in ready.
that’s mentally deranged. I guess this is why millennials complain about being unable to afford homes.
That is deranged. Who can afford to “renovate” an entire house every 10 years? Two bathrooms and a kitchen cost me over 100k.
apparently you expect the younger buyers to take on the burden of your lack of maintenance and responsibilities, sad
Anonymous
11/20/2024 13:32
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Anonymous wrote:it depends on how dated the house looks. If your kitchen has a proper range hood built in appliances and working cabinets then you could get away with sprucing it up however if its got the terrible microwave above the oven or the down draft many people will pass
If you are passing on a house you like and can afford because it has a downdraft, you're an idiot and deserve to spend your life in a rental housing.
Anonymous
11/20/2024 13:31
Subject: Selling a house that is dated and "worn."
Clean and paint, but do nothing else and price accordingly.