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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

In other words, people want bike lanes.

ha good catch. imagine thinking that “young people want this amenity” is some kind of argument against bike lanes. or that dense development is something inherently bad. guys like Fisher have no actual interest in thinking about what’s good for DC overall. If they were in charge 50 years ago we wouldn’t even have a Metro system.

We would have a trolley system that would service the chosen neighborhoods.

we wouldn’t even have that. the mark fishers of the world would sputter their absolute outrage at the installation of trolley tracks on their beautiful streets. these guys probably would have complained about building the public sewers in the in 1800s, arguing that their right to discharge effluent directly into the gutter was inalienable and that these newfangled “underground pipe bros” were ruining DC.

I take it that you are new to reading the Washington Post. Marc Fisher is not some random new guy.

let me know about all the reporting he has done on transit and public works. as well as W7 and W8.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

You're saying that the Maryland State Highway Administration lied about their own data? Huh.

That answers the question of whether you read the article.

The data cited was that this year there wasn't an accident during the same month that an accident happened last year. It's completely meaningless.

I've done better than that. I've read SHA's actual report to the General Assembly, which is what the article was about. The whole report. Have you?

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

You're saying that the Maryland State Highway Administration lied about their own data? Huh.

That answers the question of whether you read the article.

The data cited was that this year there wasn't an accident during the same month that an accident happened last year. It's completely meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

You're saying that the Maryland State Highway Administration lied about their own data? Huh.

Anonymous wrote:I might be old (54?) but when I am not driving (and I don't drive much or often) I use metro, the bus or my feet, I have never used one of those rental bikes or scooters or whatever. They all seem scary and unsafe to me. Maybe because I drive enough that I don't trust drivers not to plow into or run over me.

That's ok. Traffic calming will benefit you too. And just because there are bike lanes, nobody will force you to use them.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

What has Mark Fisher ever done to improve transit in DC, get healthier, reduce carbon emissions? Anything? Ever? Has he done ANY reporting on any kind of transit issue other than his one-off last week? Does he drive exclusively and if so, why not disclose that as part of a conflict of interest? Has he ever written about the actual situation of W7 and 8 does he just invoke “Chocolate City” when convenient?

I’m very very tired of absolute cranks (almost always older men) who have zero actual investment in making DC better getting airtime whenever they feel offended by the city changing. It’s not your city Mr Fisher - you don’t own it.

You know Marc Fisher is an old white man, right?

I might be old (54?) but when I am not driving (and I don't drive much or often) I use metro, the bus or my feet, I have never used one of those rental bikes or scooters or whatever. They all seem scary and unsafe to me. Maybe because I drive enough that I don't trust drivers not to plow into or run over me.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

In other words, people want bike lanes.

ha good catch. imagine thinking that “young people want this amenity” is some kind of argument against bike lanes. or that dense development is something inherently bad. guys like Fisher have no actual interest in thinking about what’s good for DC overall. If they were in charge 50 years ago we wouldn’t even have a Metro system.

We would have a trolley system that would service the chosen neighborhoods.

we wouldn’t even have that. the mark fishers of the world would sputter their absolute outrage at the installation of trolley tracks on their beautiful streets. these guys probably would have complained about building the public sewers in the in 1800s, arguing that their right to discharge effluent directly into the gutter was inalienable and that these newfangled “underground pipe bros” were ruining DC.

I take it that you are new to reading the Washington Post. Marc Fisher is not some random new guy.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

In other words, people want bike lanes.

ha good catch. imagine thinking that “young people want this amenity” is some kind of argument against bike lanes. or that dense development is something inherently bad. guys like Fisher have no actual interest in thinking about what’s good for DC overall. If they were in charge 50 years ago we wouldn’t even have a Metro system.

We would have a trolley system that would service the chosen neighborhoods.

we wouldn’t even have that. the mark fishers of the world would sputter their absolute outrage at the installation of trolley tracks on their beautiful streets. these guys probably would have complained about building the public sewers in the in 1800s, arguing that their right to discharge effluent directly into the gutter was inalienable and that these newfangled “underground pipe bros” were ruining DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

In other words, people want bike lanes.

ha good catch. imagine thinking that “young people want this amenity” is some kind of argument against bike lanes. or that dense development is something inherently bad. guys like Fisher have no actual interest in thinking about what’s good for DC overall. If they were in charge 50 years ago we wouldn’t even have a Metro system.

We would have a trolley system that would service the chosen neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

In other words, people want bike lanes.

ha good catch. imagine thinking that “young people want this amenity” is some kind of argument against bike lanes. or that dense development is something inherently bad. guys like Fisher have no actual interest in thinking about what’s good for DC overall. If they were in charge 50 years ago we wouldn’t even have a Metro system.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

In other words, people want bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

What has Mark Fisher ever done to improve transit in DC, get healthier, reduce carbon emissions? Anything? Ever? Has he done ANY reporting on any kind of transit issue other than his one-off last week? Does he drive exclusively and if so, why not disclose that as part of a conflict of interest? Has he ever written about the actual situation of W7 and 8 does he just invoke “Chocolate City” when convenient?

I’m very very tired of absolute cranks (almost always older men) who have zero actual investment in making DC better getting airtime whenever they feel offended by the city changing. It’s not your city Mr Fisher - you don’t own it.