Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This post is a straw-man argument because almost nobody redshirts their kid. Even the vast majority of kids born between October and December start on time. I started a year late because I'm small and would've looked like a hobbit next to my peers, but I'm over 30 now and can count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, who were redshirted. So you just sound like a hammer looking for a nail.
Of course Oct-Dec go on time because in almost every state they are the oldest. Not NY so you must be from NY.
DP but from New York and have kids with fall birthdays.
First of all, most privates here have a 9/1 or 10/1 cutoff. It’s the public schools and a handful of privates (including ours) that have 12/31 cutoffs.
A lot of people do hold back fall (and summer) birthdays here, especially boys. In my son’s private with a 12/31 cutoff, 50% of fall birthdays redshirt.
It was much less common when we were growing up, and is more confusing now that NY is such an outlier from the rest of the country with its late cutoff. It’s primarily so low income families have access to childcare sooner, including universal prek. It’s not because it developmentally appropriate for most children to start today’s very structured and sedentary kindergarten curriculum at 4 years old - it’s primarily a better alternative to low quality childcare for low income families.
I hate, hate, hate the NYC policy. My son's birthday is December 29th, and we lived in NYC until he was in 3rd grade. Let me tell you that when he started Kindergarten at 4, and was 4 for four months of the school year, it was pure hell. I tried so hard to have him held back, but the DOE would not budge. We ended up having to enroll him in a private school so he could repeat K.
I have no answers to why they do it, but was an extreme disadvantage to my son.
At least it only lasted a year. We made the mistake of sending our late-November-born son at 4, and were NEVER able to hold him back.
There are plenty of adults currently over the age of 30 who went to kindergarten at 4 years old and did just fine. In 1975 there were only a handful of states that had September cut off dates for kindergarten. In 2010 a lot more states had cut off dates of September. Northeast states has the most later cut off dates.
Connecticut had January 1st cut off dates for kindergarten until last year when they changed it to September. Massachusetts always left it up to the individual school districts and many had December cut off dates until recently. New Hampshire still has December cut off dates. But most states are trying to be uniform in their ages. People do move around a lot and uniformity helps.
This link shows the 1975 dates in US states compared to 2010
https://www.ecs.org/clearinghouse/73/67/7367.pdf
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have twins who missed the cut-off (Sept 1st) in our district by about 10 days and now turned 18 a few weeks into senior year.
They were also 6 weeks premature so at the time (age 4 when they started PK) we thrilled for the "gift of time."
Let me tell you. Having two 18 year olds under our roof and under our rules is PAINFUL. We are very chill parents and they are good kids: strong students, etc (in fact they just applied to top20 schools--fingers crossed) but it's clear that they could be thriving in college right now and are 100% ready for more independence. We butt heads A LOT.
Nothing was an issue until the last month or so---17 was great but now they're legal adults. They want to be in the next stage of life. And yet here they are living under our roof and having to complete another 7 months of high school and 9 months of living with mom and dad.
Just another perspective on the entire redshirting debate. Being 18 for an entire year of high school is HARD.
I thought you cherish every day up until they leave the nest? no?
The parent who wrote this is anti-redshirting and usually the anti-redshirting posters are the ones who actively dislike their kids, so it tracks.
I want my kid to have the opportunity to grow and move on to college. Keeping a child home for an extra year for your needs is abusive. I want my kid at a college close to us but keeping older kids home is wrong. You need to prepare them for school and beyond and the lazy way out is holding them back.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This post is a straw-man argument because almost nobody redshirts their kid. Even the vast majority of kids born between October and December start on time. I started a year late because I'm small and would've looked like a hobbit next to my peers, but I'm over 30 now and can count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, who were redshirted. So you just sound like a hammer looking for a nail.
Of course Oct-Dec go on time because in almost every state they are the oldest. Not NY so you must be from NY.
DP but from New York and have kids with fall birthdays.
First of all, most privates here have a 9/1 or 10/1 cutoff. It’s the public schools and a handful of privates (including ours) that have 12/31 cutoffs.
A lot of people do hold back fall (and summer) birthdays here, especially boys. In my son’s private with a 12/31 cutoff, 50% of fall birthdays redshirt.
It was much less common when we were growing up, and is more confusing now that NY is such an outlier from the rest of the country with its late cutoff. It’s primarily so low income families have access to childcare sooner, including universal prek. It’s not because it developmentally appropriate for most children to start today’s very structured and sedentary kindergarten curriculum at 4 years old - it’s primarily a better alternative to low quality childcare for low income families.
I hate, hate, hate the NYC policy. My son's birthday is December 29th, and we lived in NYC until he was in 3rd grade. Let me tell you that when he started Kindergarten at 4, and was 4 for four months of the school year, it was pure hell. I tried so hard to have him held back, but the DOE would not budge. We ended up having to enroll him in a private school so he could repeat K.
I have no answers to why they do it, but was an extreme disadvantage to my son.
At least it only lasted a year. We made the mistake of sending our late-November-born son at 4, and were NEVER able to hold him back.
There are plenty of adults currently over the age of 30 who went to kindergarten at 4 years old and did just fine. In 1975 there were only a handful of states that had September cut off dates for kindergarten. In 2010 a lot more states had cut off dates of September. Northeast states has the most later cut off dates.
Connecticut had January 1st cut off dates for kindergarten until last year when they changed it to September. Massachusetts always left it up to the individual school districts and many had December cut off dates until recently. New Hampshire still has December cut off dates. But most states are trying to be uniform in their ages. People do move around a lot and uniformity helps.
This link shows the 1975 dates in US states compared to 2010
https://www.ecs.org/clearinghouse/73/67/7367.pdf
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This post is a straw-man argument because almost nobody redshirts their kid. Even the vast majority of kids born between October and December start on time. I started a year late because I'm small and would've looked like a hobbit next to my peers, but I'm over 30 now and can count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, who were redshirted. So you just sound like a hammer looking for a nail.
Of course Oct-Dec go on time because in almost every state they are the oldest. Not NY so you must be from NY.
DP but from New York and have kids with fall birthdays.
First of all, most privates here have a 9/1 or 10/1 cutoff. It’s the public schools and a handful of privates (including ours) that have 12/31 cutoffs.
A lot of people do hold back fall (and summer) birthdays here, especially boys. In my son’s private with a 12/31 cutoff, 50% of fall birthdays redshirt.
It was much less common when we were growing up, and is more confusing now that NY is such an outlier from the rest of the country with its late cutoff. It’s primarily so low income families have access to childcare sooner, including universal prek. It’s not because it developmentally appropriate for most children to start today’s very structured and sedentary kindergarten curriculum at 4 years old - it’s primarily a better alternative to low quality childcare for low income families.
I hate, hate, hate the NYC policy. My son's birthday is December 29th, and we lived in NYC until he was in 3rd grade. Let me tell you that when he started Kindergarten at 4, and was 4 for four months of the school year, it was pure hell. I tried so hard to have him held back, but the DOE would not budge. We ended up having to enroll him in a private school so he could repeat K.
I have no answers to why they do it, but was an extreme disadvantage to my son.
At least it only lasted a year. We made the mistake of sending our late-November-born son at 4, and were NEVER able to hold him back.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have twins who missed the cut-off (Sept 1st) in our district by about 10 days and now turned 18 a few weeks into senior year.
They were also 6 weeks premature so at the time (age 4 when they started PK) we thrilled for the "gift of time."
Let me tell you. Having two 18 year olds under our roof and under our rules is PAINFUL. We are very chill parents and they are good kids: strong students, etc (in fact they just applied to top20 schools--fingers crossed) but it's clear that they could be thriving in college right now and are 100% ready for more independence. We butt heads A LOT.
Nothing was an issue until the last month or so---17 was great but now they're legal adults. They want to be in the next stage of life. And yet here they are living under our roof and having to complete another 7 months of high school and 9 months of living with mom and dad.
Just another perspective on the entire redshirting debate. Being 18 for an entire year of high school is HARD.
I thought you cherish every day up until they leave the nest? no?
The parent who wrote this is anti-redshirting and usually the anti-redshirting posters are the ones who actively dislike their kids, so it tracks.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have twins who missed the cut-off (Sept 1st) in our district by about 10 days and now turned 18 a few weeks into senior year.
They were also 6 weeks premature so at the time (age 4 when they started PK) we thrilled for the "gift of time."
Let me tell you. Having two 18 year olds under our roof and under our rules is PAINFUL. We are very chill parents and they are good kids: strong students, etc (in fact they just applied to top20 schools--fingers crossed) but it's clear that they could be thriving in college right now and are 100% ready for more independence. We butt heads A LOT.
Nothing was an issue until the last month or so---17 was great but now they're legal adults. They want to be in the next stage of life. And yet here they are living under our roof and having to complete another 7 months of high school and 9 months of living with mom and dad.
Just another perspective on the entire redshirting debate. Being 18 for an entire year of high school is HARD.
I thought you cherish every day up until they leave the nest? no?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This post is a straw-man argument because almost nobody redshirts their kid. Even the vast majority of kids born between October and December start on time. I started a year late because I'm small and would've looked like a hobbit next to my peers, but I'm over 30 now and can count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, who were redshirted. So you just sound like a hammer looking for a nail.
Of course Oct-Dec go on time because in almost every state they are the oldest. Not NY so you must be from NY.
DP but from New York and have kids with fall birthdays.
First of all, most privates here have a 9/1 or 10/1 cutoff. It’s the public schools and a handful of privates (including ours) that have 12/31 cutoffs.
A lot of people do hold back fall (and summer) birthdays here, especially boys. In my son’s private with a 12/31 cutoff, 50% of fall birthdays redshirt.
It was much less common when we were growing up, and is more confusing now that NY is such an outlier from the rest of the country with its late cutoff. It’s primarily so low income families have access to childcare sooner, including universal prek. It’s not because it developmentally appropriate for most children to start today’s very structured and sedentary kindergarten curriculum at 4 years old - it’s primarily a better alternative to low quality childcare for low income families.
I hate, hate, hate the NYC policy. My son's birthday is December 29th, and we lived in NYC until he was in 3rd grade. Let me tell you that when he started Kindergarten at 4, and was 4 for four months of the school year, it was pure hell. I tried so hard to have him held back, but the DOE would not budge. We ended up having to enroll him in a private school so he could repeat K.
I have no answers to why they do it, but was an extreme disadvantage to my son.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids turned 18 early in the school yer and we didn't' butt heads at all. I actually worried the opposite about our youngest. I think a gap year would have been a good idea.
Turning 18 during the school year Senior year is different than turning 19.
Who is turning 19...?
The Anti-Redshirt crusade can never do math.
Anonymous wrote:I have twins who missed the cut-off (Sept 1st) in our district by about 10 days and now turned 18 a few weeks into senior year.
They were also 6 weeks premature so at the time (age 4 when they started PK) we thrilled for the "gift of time."
Let me tell you. Having two 18 year olds under our roof and under our rules is PAINFUL. We are very chill parents and they are good kids: strong students, etc (in fact they just applied to top20 schools--fingers crossed) but it's clear that they could be thriving in college right now and are 100% ready for more independence. We butt heads A LOT.
Nothing was an issue until the last month or so---17 was great but now they're legal adults. They want to be in the next stage of life. And yet here they are living under our roof and having to complete another 7 months of high school and 9 months of living with mom and dad.
Just another perspective on the entire redshirting debate. Being 18 for an entire year of high school is HARD.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This post is a straw-man argument because almost nobody redshirts their kid. Even the vast majority of kids born between October and December start on time. I started a year late because I'm small and would've looked like a hobbit next to my peers, but I'm over 30 now and can count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, who were redshirted. So you just sound like a hammer looking for a nail.
Of course Oct-Dec go on time because in almost every state they are the oldest. Not NY so you must be from NY.
DP but from New York and have kids with fall birthdays.
First of all, most privates here have a 9/1 or 10/1 cutoff. It’s the public schools and a handful of privates (including ours) that have 12/31 cutoffs.
A lot of people do hold back fall (and summer) birthdays here, especially boys. In my son’s private with a 12/31 cutoff, 50% of fall birthdays redshirt.
It was much less common when we were growing up, and is more confusing now that NY is such an outlier from the rest of the country with its late cutoff. It’s primarily so low income families have access to childcare sooner, including universal prek. It’s not because it developmentally appropriate for most children to start today’s very structured and sedentary kindergarten curriculum at 4 years old - it’s primarily a better alternative to low quality childcare for low income families.
I hate, hate, hate the NYC policy. My son's birthday is December 29th, and we lived in NYC until he was in 3rd grade. Let me tell you that when he started Kindergarten at 4, and was 4 for four months of the school year, it was pure hell. I tried so hard to have him held back, but the DOE would not budge. We ended up having to enroll him in a private school so he could repeat K.
I have no answers to why they do it, but was an extreme disadvantage to my son.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This post is a straw-man argument because almost nobody redshirts their kid. Even the vast majority of kids born between October and December start on time. I started a year late because I'm small and would've looked like a hobbit next to my peers, but I'm over 30 now and can count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, who were redshirted. So you just sound like a hammer looking for a nail.
Of course Oct-Dec go on time because in almost every state they are the oldest. Not NY so you must be from NY.
DP but from New York and have kids with fall birthdays.
First of all, most privates here have a 9/1 or 10/1 cutoff. It’s the public schools and a handful of privates (including ours) that have 12/31 cutoffs.
A lot of people do hold back fall (and summer) birthdays here, especially boys. In my son’s private with a 12/31 cutoff, 50% of fall birthdays redshirt.
It was much less common when we were growing up, and is more confusing now that NY is such an outlier from the rest of the country with its late cutoff. It’s primarily so low income families have access to childcare sooner, including universal prek. It’s not because it developmentally appropriate for most children to start today’s very structured and sedentary kindergarten curriculum at 4 years old - it’s primarily a better alternative to low quality childcare for low income families.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This post is a straw-man argument because almost nobody redshirts their kid. Even the vast majority of kids born between October and December start on time. I started a year late because I'm small and would've looked like a hobbit next to my peers, but I'm over 30 now and can count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, who were redshirted. So you just sound like a hammer looking for a nail.
Of course Oct-Dec go on time because in almost every state they are the oldest. Not NY so you must be from NY.
DP but from New York and have kids with fall birthdays.
First of all, most privates here have a 9/1 or 10/1 cutoff. It’s the public schools and a handful of privates (including ours) that have 12/31 cutoffs.
A lot of people do hold back fall (and summer) birthdays here, especially boys. In my son’s private with a 12/31 cutoff, 50% of fall birthdays redshirt.
It was much less common when we were growing up, and is more confusing now that NY is such an outlier from the rest of the country with its late cutoff. It’s primarily so low income families have access to childcare sooner, including universal prek. It’s not because it developmentally appropriate for most children to start today’s very structured and sedentary kindergarten curriculum at 4 years old - it’s primarily a better alternative to low quality childcare for low income families.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This post is a straw-man argument because almost nobody redshirts their kid. Even the vast majority of kids born between October and December start on time. I started a year late because I'm small and would've looked like a hobbit next to my peers, but I'm over 30 now and can count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, who were redshirted. So you just sound like a hammer looking for a nail.
Of course Oct-Dec go on time because in almost every state they are the oldest. Not NY so you must be from NY.
DP but from New York and have kids with fall birthdays.
First of all, most privates here have a 9/1 or 10/1 cutoff. It’s the public schools and a handful of privates (including ours) that have 12/31 cutoffs.
A lot of people do hold back fall (and summer) birthdays here, especially boys. In my son’s private with a 12/31 cutoff, 50% of fall birthdays redshirt.
It was much less common when we were growing up, and is more confusing now that NY is such an outlier from the rest of the country with its late cutoff. It’s primarily so low income families have access to childcare sooner, including universal prek. It’s not because it developmentally appropriate for most children to start today’s very structured and sedentary kindergarten curriculum at 4 years old - it’s primarily a better alternative to low quality childcare for low income families.
Anonymous wrote:I doubt it’s as painful as having an adult child who won’t speak to you because you sent them too young and doomed them to struggle socially and academically all through school. But the information about relative age in school wasn’t as publicly available then as it is now. Now that I know, what SO and I is comparable to child abuse.