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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

There is zero chance anyone (even current republicans) will be rehabilitating Trump's image in a decade or a century.

It wasn't so long ago that people were begging the International Criminal Court to try and imprison Bush for war crimes. He was even convicted in lesser courts. Now he's an elder statemen. He got a lot more people killed and touched off a conflagration that's still burning to this day. Trump didn't kick off any wars like that or get millions of people killed. He said the quiet part out loud and grabbed some, uh, parts.

It will be 10 years tops until Democrats start invoking his name, and posting things like "Trump would be rolling in his golden grave if he saw what Republicans are like today."

It just shows how much the GOP has fallen off a cliff.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately . As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.

Not equating the two "sides" but your fooling yourself if you think it's one party that is responsible for all the political games that lead to a poorly functioning government. Newt's cut throat political style was a game changer and that movement along with social media and cable news exploding led to division in politics like we've never seen before.

What did the democrats do to change rules that lead us to where we are (and don't ascribe changing the filibuster that Reid did because McConnnell refused to allow Obama appointments through to the point the Chief Justice had to beg the Senate to change to rules before the judicial branch collapsed)

Not equating two sides here. There is fair blame to be cast at who started certain things first. This doesn't change the fact that our two parties have used their power to evolve into entities that are now too big to fail as rules have been put into place to make a 3rd party emergence nearly impossible. This gives the flexibility to play political games that only serve to benefit them during election cycles and not to serve in manner that is helpful to the American people.

Case in point- the Biden Administration along with Congress could have and should have pushed the border bill proposes last year much sooner. They chose to wait until election season knowing that it was unlikely the GOP would allow it to pass and therefore they could use that as a campaign tool to offset doing nothing to improve the situation at the border for the first two years of Biden's presidency and they can fairly say accuse the GOP of not passing a bill that would have been helpful. That's a political game that does nothing to help our country but it does it help Dems in re-election bids. There is no recourse for such political games because they have no fear of the American people saying we've had enough and ditching them for a 3rd party.

Republicans pushed the Citizens United decision allowing money to become a much bigger influence in politics. Blame them for that. This being said; both parties have played the money game and it's both parties who are now forced to prioritize the interest of their big money donors as opposed to the prioritizing the interest of all Americans. Again, very little we can now do to change that. It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

There is zero chance anyone (even current republicans) will be rehabilitating Trump's image in a decade or a century.

I’m old enough to remember people carrying posters of GWB looking like Hitler during protests of the Iraq War and liberal commentators calling GWB and Cheney fascist war criminals ad nauseam. Now Harris is parading Cheney’s daughter across the country and celebrating Dick Cheney’s endorsement.

Harris is highlighting that even right wing war criminals who have never supported a Democrat before are supporting her because Trump is so dangerous. She’s touting their endorsement of her, but the endorsements don’t flow in the other direction. No one is endorsing the actions of W’s administration.

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

There is zero chance anyone (even current republicans) will be rehabilitating Trump's image in a decade or a century.

I’m old enough to remember people carrying posters of GWB looking like Hitler during protests of the Iraq War and liberal commentators calling GWB and Cheney fascist war criminals ad nauseam. Now Harris is parading Cheney’s daughter across the country and celebrating Dick Cheney’s endorsement.

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Anonymous wrote:I was 18 in 2004 and listening to NPR after the election - they were acting like it was a day of national mourning. "The end of America."My professor kicked a guy out of class because he said he voted for Bush. (Anthropology 101 at Michigan State). I guarantee that professor is now talking about how Bush was a great guy!

Please do provide proof that liberals are saying W was a great guy. Saying that Trump is so bad he makes W look good by comparison is not the same.

People have at least been willing to admit he did some good things.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/08/opinion/aids-pepfar-bush.html

But I'll agree with you that most of what I see is people saying they wish for the day when they thought W was the worst thing ever.

Anonymous wrote:I was 18 in 2004 and listening to NPR after the election - they were acting like it was a day of national mourning. "The end of America."My professor kicked a guy out of class because he said he voted for Bush. (Anthropology 101 at Michigan State). I guarantee that professor is now talking about how Bush was a great guy!

Please do provide proof that liberals are saying W was a great guy. Saying that Trump is so bad he makes W look good by comparison is not the same.

I was 18 in 2004 and listening to NPR after the election - they were acting like it was a day of national mourning. "The end of America."My professor kicked a guy out of class because he said he voted for Bush. (Anthropology 101 at Michigan State). I guarantee that professor is now talking about how Bush was a great guy!

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

Exactly! We nominated poor Mitt Romney and he was savaged by the Dems. Republican moderates and conservatives face the same treatment from the Democrats.

Poor little Mitt, born no so much on third as halfway to home base. Worked for Bain and did all he could for crony capitalism. Recorded saying 47% of Americans are "takers," and no, he wasn't referring to private equity, helping themselves to workers' pension funds.

"Corporations are people, my friend."

He was and is quite far to the right, which is what sunk him, not some sort of dishonest attack by Democrats, who only said what was true.

Still, he does believe in the Constitution and the rule of law, so he's legit. He just lost on his own merits.

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

There is zero chance anyone (even current republicans) will be rehabilitating Trump's image in a decade or a century.

It wasn't so long ago that people were begging the International Criminal Court to try and imprison Bush for war crimes. He was even convicted in lesser courts. Now he's an elder statemen. He got a lot more people killed and touched off a conflagration that's still burning to this day. Trump didn't kick off any wars like that or get millions of people killed. He said the quiet part out loud and grabbed some, uh, parts.

It will be 10 years tops until Democrats start invoking his name, and posting things like "Trump would be rolling in his golden grave if he saw what Republicans are like today."

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately . As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.

Not equating the two "sides" but your fooling yourself if you think it's one party that is responsible for all the political games that lead to a poorly functioning government. Newt's cut throat political style was a game changer and that movement along with social media and cable news exploding led to division in politics like we've never seen before.

What did the democrats do to change rules that lead us to where we are (and don't ascribe changing the filibuster that Reid did because McConnnell refused to allow Obama appointments through to the point the Chief Justice had to beg the Senate to change to rules before the judicial branch collapsed)

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

There is zero chance anyone (even current republicans) will be rehabilitating Trump's image in a decade or a century.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately . As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.

Not equating the two "sides" but your fooling yourself if you think it's one party that is responsible for all the political games that lead to a poorly functioning government. Newt's cut throat political style was a game changer and that movement along with social media and cable news exploding led to division in politics like we've never seen before.

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t get the original GOP back without getting rid of the Catholic and Evangelical political block. These are the factions bringing the most hate, stoking culture wars, pushing oppression of women, eradication of LGTB groups. They aren’t operating as religions anymore but as white male supremacy and tyrannical, cruel patriarchy with a heaping side of grifting going on. Talk about wolf in sheep’s clothing or following false prophets.
Look at the evangelicals applauding when Carlson shares his fantasy of beating a 15 year old girl. The religious right is driven by cloaking perverts and setting the agenda for the GOP.

Look at the major donors to the Republican Party. Pro Israel Jewish billionaires. They have contributed 2/3 of the money raise by republicans this cycle.

The GOP of 2024 is an unholy alliance of the Catholics and Protestants (the christian nationalists) along with the Jews.

Most average jews are progressive/liberal.

The only Jews who are GOP are the orthodox/conservative ones who are strong zionists. And the only reason the Evangelical GOP is pro-Israel is for The Rapture.

It is so weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Course you want McCain and Romney back. They lost.

^^^ DING DING DING ^^^


Dems LOVE loser republicans.

Democrats love Republicans who are weak and/or support democrats.

The very second a republican acts strong or disagrees with democrats, they instantly morph into Hitler 2.0.

Acting strong is not suggesting to use the force of the US military domestically on people who oppose you.

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Anonymous wrote:Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

yup get rid of the shock jocks, ann coulter types, rogan/shapiro/tate et al. and give me a thought leader to rep center right normalcy please.

colin powell, condeleeza rice, george h bush, mitt romney, etc.

Ah yes, the good ole days of Bushitler: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bushitler

I guess Hitler isn't so bad now?

Just because the Dems have been saying terrible things about every Republican for decades now doesn't mean the party has to live down to their impression.

As a friend said when we all woke up after the Iowa caucuses in 2015, for years the media has been saying this is who Republicans are and I didn't believe them because I didn't know any Republicans like that. But now I'm not so sure.

Or it means Democrats just hate whoever is currently standing in their way, and rehabilitate them once they are no longer in the way. Give it 10 years and Democrats will be decrying the current Hitler and praising Trump. Its in the nature of being an NPC.

Exactly! We nominated poor Mitt Romney and he was savaged by the Dems. Republican moderates and conservatives face the same treatment from the Democrats.

How was he savaged? He caught heat for saying young people should borrow $10k from their parents and take a chance by starting a business, as though that’s a viable option for many people. We were horrified that he put his dog on the roof of the station wagon on a family vacation. We laughed at “binders full of women.”