Anonymous
10/13/2024 00:01
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothingburger. Want to vote? Show proof of citizenship. Why isn’t everyone behind this?
Because people without passports don’t normally have the notorized documents on hand the day of the election when they are denied the ability to vote. Especially married p women, who may need to document a name change, in addition to a motorized birth certificate.
People can get any required documents. They have their whole life and 2 years between elections to do so.
Once again, are you a US citizen or from another country trolling on here?
Anonymous
10/13/2024 00:00
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am guessing they are "inadvertently" removing citizens too. It happened to me in 2013, the last time we had a Republican governor.
They are
Serious question. Do you know this or are you assuming it’s true?
Nobody is providing any evidence to show it is true.
Here, let me write a post for you, with links, that you can ignore, since that’s how you’ve remained a Republican so far.
Alabama: “Republican Secretary of State Wes Allen in August announced an initiative “to remove noncitizens registered to vote in Alabama.” More than 3,000 people who had been previously issued noncitizen identification numbers will have their voter registration status made inactive and flagged for possible removal from the voter rolls. The Justice Department said both native-born and naturalized U.S. citizens, who are eligible to vote, received the letters saying their voting status was being made inactive.” https://www.wvtm13.com/article/justice-department-alabama-lawsuit-voter-rolls/62455133
Louisiana: with zero evidence, Gov Landry is sure that non-citizens are voting: https://lailluminator.com/2024/08/27/gov-landry-targets-noncitizens-in-louisiana-claiming-immigrants-pose-voter-fraud-risk/
Tennessee: only after a major outcry did they back off from their threat to remove over 14000 voters from the rolls. https://apnews.com/article/voting-citizenship-tennessee-7802df69609bc54eb55d9296f6321100
This happened in 2020 as well but the busy little bees who help massage Google results have effectively removed all those stories from view. I could go on, but it’s honestly pearls after swine since you won’t read it, much like the “I’m a rationale conservative thread” on which it’s been amply proven that Republicans like to choose their voters and suppress the rest.
People who receive a letter that they are a non-citizen and aren’t allowed to legally vote just have to provide proof they are a legal citizen. I have to provide proof to register to vote; why don’t other people have to do
so?
The vast majority of US citizens don’t have a notarized birth certificate
False, everyone has to have one of those to get a Real ID driver's license now. And they aren't "notarized". Are you even a US citizen?
Real ID is not a proof of US citizenship. Non-citizens who are in the U.S. legally (eg Green Card Holders) can also get a Real ID and they are not citizens who can vote in federal elections.
So there needs to be stricter voting standards than what are currently in place.
Perhaps 4-5 forms of ID required, and "in-person voting" only then. Maybe the dip the thumb in ink thing also.
It's appalling that many really poor countries have more strict and legitimate elections than we have here.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:56
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothingburger. Want to vote? Show proof of citizenship. Why isn’t everyone behind this?
+1 how is it even controversial? It’s the law.
Yes it is. Federal law says you can’t purge voters 90 days before the election. So why are you okay with Youngkin breaking the law? Or are you a “only follow the laws I like” Republican (ps— not purging does not mean that there shouldn’t be consequences if someone I’d found to have voted or tried to vote illegally. Like, say, Youngkin’s kid.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:53
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Nothingburger. Want to vote? Show proof of citizenship. Why isn’t everyone behind this?
Because people without passports don’t normally have the notorized documents on hand the day of the election when they are denied the ability to vote. Especially married p women, who may need to document a name change, in addition to a motorized birth certificate.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:53
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
The only elections claiming non citizens voting are only those elections where Trump is a candidate. Interesting, isn't it?
Can illegal immigrants really vote in the US election?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/illegal-immigrants-really-vote-us-230118675.html
Can illegal immigrants really vote in the US election?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/illegal-immigrants-really-vote-us-230118675.html
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:51
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am guessing they are "inadvertently" removing citizens too. It happened to me in 2013, the last time we had a Republican governor.
“The agency alleges that Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin violated the NVRA when announcing and subsequently carrying out an executive order which required the election commissioner to regularly update the state’s voter lists to remove individuals who have been "identified as noncitizens," and had not responded to a request to verify their citizenship in 14 days.”
Were you identified as a non-citizen, and did you receive a request to verify your citizenship you didn’t respond to?
Because that’s what VA is doing. They are only removing voters who have been identified as non-citizens and haven’t responded to verify their citizenship.
I am the farthest anybody could be from a non-citizen...I was born right here in Virginia. I received no communication of any sort. I showed up to the polls, voter card in hand and the election workers could not find me on the rolls. I had to cast a provisional ballot.
Personally, I think Governor Youngkin should be charged with one felony for every US citizen he erroneously purges from the voter rolls with his law breaking actions.
He actually violated federal laws. He should be handcuffed by the FBI in public.
The voters are given an opportunity to show proof they are citizens and before they are purged. You want a governor handcuffed by the fbi and charged with a felony if the voter doesn’t show that they are legally allowed to vote in an election? We have laws that are designed to protect our elections, that to you, are meaningless. You don’t care if elections are safeguarded and legally conducted. He’s breaking the law if he doesn’t follow election law and ensures people are voting legally.
Should we not have to register and show proof we are citizens before we vote?
Blah blah blah. There’s a 90 quiet period and you fascists are happy to trample that, without any evidence of any wrongdoing.
Our laws state that only citizens are legally allowed to vote in our elections. 365 days a year, our laws are in place. You criminals are happy to break our laws to allow non-citizens to illegally vote in our elections.
The criminal is the person violating federal law that provides for a 90 day period before presidential elections when purging voters is illegal (and allow the purges the other three years and none months of the voting cycle. I’m sorry you don’t like the law. Doesn’t mean it can be ignored.
The other criminal is Youngkin’s son, who did attempt to vote illegally— twice. Remind me how much jail time he served?
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:47
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://wset.com/amp/news/local/gov-youngkin-issues-statement-after-doj-files-lawsuit-over-noncitizen-voting-in-va-october-2024-election-commonwealth-virginia-glenn-democracy
Governor Glenn Youngkin issued a statement Friday afternoon after being notified that the Biden-Harris Department of Justice was filing a lawsuit against Virginia.
“With less than 30 days until the election, the Biden-Harris Department of Justice is filing an unprecedented lawsuit against me and the Commonwealth of Virginia, for appropriately enforcing a 2006 law signed by Democrat Tim Kaine that requires Virginia to remove noncitizens from the voter rolls - a process that starts with someone declaring themselves a non-citizen and then registering to vote. Virginians - and Americans - will see this for exactly what it is: a desperate attempt to attack the legitimacy of the elections in the Commonwealth, the very crucible of American Democracy. With the support of our Attorney General, we will defend these commonsense steps, that we are legally required to take, with every resource available to us. Virginia’s election will be secure and fair, and I will not stand idly by as this politically motivated action tries to interfere in our elections, period.“
So, what’s Youngkin talking about? This:
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5150774/the-justice-department-says-virginia-is-illegally-striking-voters-off-of-voter-rolls
RICHMOND, Va. — The U.S. Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against Virginia election officials Friday that accuses the state of striking names from voter rolls in violation of federal election law.
The lawsuit filed Friday in U.S. District Court in Alexandria says that an executive order issued in August by Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin requiring daily updates to voter lists to remove ineligible voters violates federal law. The National Voter Registration Act requires a 90-day “quiet period” ahead of elections for the maintenance of voter rolls.
“Congress adopted the National Voter Registration Act’s quiet period restriction to prevent error-prone, eleventh hour efforts that all too often disenfranchise qualified voters,” Assistant U.S. Attorney General Kristen Clarke said in a statement. “The right to vote is the cornerstone of our democracy and the Justice Department will continue to ensure that the rights of qualified voters are protected.”
A similar lawsuit was filed earlier this week by a coalition of immigrant-rights groups and the League of Women Voters.
Non-citizens do not have the right to vote. Why is the DOJ going to bat for non-American citizens to vote?
Youngkin apparently made a subrosa agreement with Trump to turn Virginia Red. Youngkin is as corrupt as trump and is probably removing legal voters. Don't forget Youngkin made his millions working for The Carlisle Group a private equity whose greed is responsible for at least one death.
“Probably?” Citation he’s removing legal voters?
Citation to the fact he’s illegally removing voters— it’s less than 90 days before the election and he’s purging now— when he’s had 2 1/2 years to do so. If this were about illegal voters, and illegal voters (except his son) were a problem, why didn’t he do this two years ago before midterms or last year before the VA statewide election?
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:44
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am guessing they are "inadvertently" removing citizens too. It happened to me in 2013, the last time we had a Republican governor.
They are
Serious question. Do you know this or are you assuming it’s true?
Nobody is providing any evidence to show it is true.
Here, let me write a post for you, with links, that you can ignore, since that’s how you’ve remained a Republican so far.
Alabama: “Republican Secretary of State Wes Allen in August announced an initiative “to remove noncitizens registered to vote in Alabama.” More than 3,000 people who had been previously issued noncitizen identification numbers will have their voter registration status made inactive and flagged for possible removal from the voter rolls. The Justice Department said both native-born and naturalized U.S. citizens, who are eligible to vote, received the letters saying their voting status was being made inactive.” https://www.wvtm13.com/article/justice-department-alabama-lawsuit-voter-rolls/62455133
Louisiana: with zero evidence, Gov Landry is sure that non-citizens are voting: https://lailluminator.com/2024/08/27/gov-landry-targets-noncitizens-in-louisiana-claiming-immigrants-pose-voter-fraud-risk/
Tennessee: only after a major outcry did they back off from their threat to remove over 14000 voters from the rolls. https://apnews.com/article/voting-citizenship-tennessee-7802df69609bc54eb55d9296f6321100
This happened in 2020 as well but the busy little bees who help massage Google results have effectively removed all those stories from view. I could go on, but it’s honestly pearls after swine since you won’t read it, much like the “I’m a rationale conservative thread” on which it’s been amply proven that Republicans like to choose their voters and suppress the rest.
People who receive a letter that they are a non-citizen and aren’t allowed to legally vote just have to provide proof they are a legal citizen. I have to provide proof to register to vote; why don’t other people have to do
so?
The vast majority of US citizens don’t have a notarized birth certificate
False, everyone has to have one of those to get a Real ID driver's license now. And they aren't "notarized". Are you even a US citizen?
Real ID is not a proof of US citizenship. Non-citizens who are in the U.S. legally (eg Green Card Holders) can also get a Real ID and they are not citizens who can vote in federal elections.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:44
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The trope that non-citizens are voting anywhere in the US is FALSE. The right is using it as a anti-immigrant racist way to energize its base.
Youngkin, that turpid worm who was elected in VA by playing on the fears of parents during the pandemic and who like Vance is an amoral opportunist, is trying to position himself well in the Trump universe by signaling his MAGA credentials.
Thank goodness we have laws to stop him.
Happy to point this out to you. From the Washington Post:
In a first, noncitizens are voting in D.C. Here’s what it means to them.
More than 500 noncitizen District residents have registered to vote, according to the D.C. Board of Elections.
They came to the United States from El Salvador, Ethiopia and Iran to study, earn money and escape violence. And they all found a home in the nation’s capital. They are not U.S. citizens, but they care about issues in their communities, including education, health care and affordable housing.
And for the first time, these noncitizen residents — some of whom have lived here for decades and have children who were born here — will have a say in how their communities are run: They are among the more than 500 noncitizen District residents who have registered to vote and have cast their ballots or are heading to the polls Tuesday to pick their representatives on the D.C. Council.
So you are wrong. Noncitizens, aka illegal immigrants are voting in the US.
Non citizens are not necessarily "illegal immigrants" - they can be green card holders or have some other status. Your ignorance is shining through.
Also, Dc local elections are not VA federal elections elections. It’s legal for noncitizens to vote in DC— but not for federal office. What does that have to do with Virginia, where this is not legal, and where only federal elections plus some bonds are on the ballot?
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:42
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am guessing they are "inadvertently" removing citizens too. It happened to me in 2013, the last time we had a Republican governor.
“The agency alleges that Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin violated the NVRA when announcing and subsequently carrying out an executive order which required the election commissioner to regularly update the state’s voter lists to remove individuals who have been "identified as noncitizens," and had not responded to a request to verify their citizenship in 14 days.”
Were you identified as a non-citizen, and did you receive a request to verify your citizenship you didn’t respond to?
Because that’s what VA is doing. They are only removing voters who have been identified as non-citizens and haven’t responded to verify their citizenship.
I am the farthest anybody could be from a non-citizen...I was born right here in Virginia. I received no communication of any sort. I showed up to the polls, voter card in hand and the election workers could not find me on the rolls. I had to cast a provisional ballot.
Personally, I think Governor Youngkin should be charged with one felony for every US citizen he erroneously purges from the voter rolls with his law breaking actions.
He actually violated federal laws. He should be handcuffed by the FBI in public.
The voters are given an opportunity to show proof they are citizens and before they are purged. You want a governor handcuffed by the fbi and charged with a felony if the voter doesn’t show that they are legally allowed to vote in an election? We have laws that are designed to protect our elections, that to you, are meaningless. You don’t care if elections are safeguarded and legally conducted. He’s breaking the law if he doesn’t follow election law and ensures people are voting legally.
Should we not have to register and show proof we are citizens before we vote?
Blah blah blah. There’s a 90 quiet period and you fascists are happy to trample that, without any evidence of any wrongdoing.
Our laws state that only citizens are legally allowed to vote in our elections. 365 days a year, our laws are in place. You criminals are happy to break our laws to allow non-citizens to illegally vote in our elections.
First, one of the only “criminals” illegally voting in 2021 was Glen Youngkin’s son.
Second, if it were an actual issue, it can be dealt with for 3 years and 9 months out of every 4 years. If this is a huge issue in VA, does this mean Youngkin was too corrupt and lazy to be bothered in the 2.5 years after he was sworn in and it didn’t dawn on him this was a problem until a month before the Presidential election.
It can actually take time to get motorized/ official birth certificates, marriage certificates, name changes, etc. and most people don’t have passports. Which is why the 90 day quiet period is the law. People have notice they need to collect the documents and time to get them before the election. Now, I do get that Republicans are above the law and think it’s great Youngkin is breaking it. But seriously? He couldn’t just follow the law and done any purges a year, or even 6 months before the election, which is, you know, legal? What changed between March and now that a purge wasn’t warranted in March, when it would have been legal and now, when it is not? And why is it okay for Youngkin to break federal law?
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:35
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am guessing they are "inadvertently" removing citizens too. It happened to me in 2013, the last time we had a Republican governor.
They are
Serious question. Do you know this or are you assuming it’s true?
Nobody is providing any evidence to show it is true.
Here, let me write a post for you, with links, that you can ignore, since that’s how you’ve remained a Republican so far.
Alabama: “Republican Secretary of State Wes Allen in August announced an initiative “to remove noncitizens registered to vote in Alabama.” More than 3,000 people who had been previously issued noncitizen identification numbers will have their voter registration status made inactive and flagged for possible removal from the voter rolls. The Justice Department said both native-born and naturalized U.S. citizens, who are eligible to vote, received the letters saying their voting status was being made inactive.” https://www.wvtm13.com/article/justice-department-alabama-lawsuit-voter-rolls/62455133
Louisiana: with zero evidence, Gov Landry is sure that non-citizens are voting: https://lailluminator.com/2024/08/27/gov-landry-targets-noncitizens-in-louisiana-claiming-immigrants-pose-voter-fraud-risk/
Tennessee: only after a major outcry did they back off from their threat to remove over 14000 voters from the rolls. https://apnews.com/article/voting-citizenship-tennessee-7802df69609bc54eb55d9296f6321100
This happened in 2020 as well but the busy little bees who help massage Google results have effectively removed all those stories from view. I could go on, but it’s honestly pearls after swine since you won’t read it, much like the “I’m a rationale conservative thread” on which it’s been amply proven that Republicans like to choose their voters and suppress the rest.
People who receive a letter that they are a non-citizen and aren’t allowed to legally vote just have to provide proof they are a legal citizen. I have to provide proof to register to vote; why don’t other people have to do
so?
The vast majority of US citizens don’t have a notarized birth certificate
False, everyone has to have one of those to get a Real ID driver's license now. And they aren't "notarized". Are you even a US citizen?
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:33
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am guessing they are "inadvertently" removing citizens too. It happened to me in 2013, the last time we had a Republican governor.
“The agency alleges that Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin violated the NVRA when announcing and subsequently carrying out an executive order which required the election commissioner to regularly update the state’s voter lists to remove individuals who have been "identified as noncitizens," and had not responded to a request to verify their citizenship in 14 days.”
Were you identified as a non-citizen, and did you receive a request to verify your citizenship you didn’t respond to?
Because that’s what VA is doing. They are only removing voters who have been identified as non-citizens and haven’t responded to verify their citizenship.
Is there any evidence that non-citizens are voting?
The Overton Window has move so far on this issue that we accept as normal governmental action to solve a non-existent problem. This is voter suppression, pure and simple.
Yes, Washington, DC, allowed over 500 non-citizens to vote this year.
Non-citizens and dead voters vote Democratic everywhere. DOJ needs more of them in Virginia to keep the current administration in power. They couldn’t be more obvious with this.
Actually, Youngkin’s son voted illegally in 2021. In fact, he tried to vote illegally twice. Oddly, there were no consequences for him. Including young Mr. Youngkin, a single digit number of cases were documented.
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:31
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No one wants non-citizens voting anywhere (DC is an outlier and isn't a state).
The issue of non-citizen voting is just a pretext for pushing out Americans who are legally allowed to vote, but are at risk of voting Dem given their type of last name. Which is INCREDIBLY RACIST.
Proof please
Youngkin’s had 2.5 years to do this if it were an actual problem. He didn’t do it before midterms, or the statewide races in 2023, so clearly e didn’t think it was a huge issue from 2021 to mid 2024. All of a sudden 4 weeks before the election, it’s an issue. What’s changed in the last month or 2?
Anonymous
Anonymous
10/12/2024 23:27
Subject: Gov. Youngkin issues statement after DOJ files lawsuit over noncitizen voting in Va.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am guessing they are "inadvertently" removing citizens too. It happened to me in 2013, the last time we had a Republican governor.
They are
Serious question. Do you know this or are you assuming it’s true?
Nobody is providing any evidence to show it is true.
Here, let me write a post for you, with links, that you can ignore, since that’s how you’ve remained a Republican so far.
Alabama: “Republican Secretary of State Wes Allen in August announced an initiative “to remove noncitizens registered to vote in Alabama.” More than 3,000 people who had been previously issued noncitizen identification numbers will have their voter registration status made inactive and flagged for possible removal from the voter rolls. The Justice Department said both native-born and naturalized U.S. citizens, who are eligible to vote, received the letters saying their voting status was being made inactive.” https://www.wvtm13.com/article/justice-department-alabama-lawsuit-voter-rolls/62455133
Louisiana: with zero evidence, Gov Landry is sure that non-citizens are voting: https://lailluminator.com/2024/08/27/gov-landry-targets-noncitizens-in-louisiana-claiming-immigrants-pose-voter-fraud-risk/
Tennessee: only after a major outcry did they back off from their threat to remove over 14000 voters from the rolls. https://apnews.com/article/voting-citizenship-tennessee-7802df69609bc54eb55d9296f6321100
This happened in 2020 as well but the busy little bees who help massage Google results have effectively removed all those stories from view. I could go on, but it’s honestly pearls after swine since you won’t read it, much like the “I’m a rationale conservative thread” on which it’s been amply proven that Republicans like to choose their voters and suppress the rest.
People who receive a letter that they are a non-citizen and aren’t allowed to legally vote just have to provide proof they are a legal citizen. I have to provide proof to register to vote; why don’t other people have to do
so?
If you go to your polling place and are told you were purged, could you produce proof of citizenship on the spot? That day, or your vote won’t could? The vast majority of US citizensdon’t have passports. Or a notirized birth certificate, plus proof of name change for married women.