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Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.

1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children

Business would hire US citizens and train them

College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving

It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

Fairfax VA in the late 90s

Fairfax schools used to be great too, with marked decline under unanimous Dem school boards. Now, they only give the appearance of being good due to abundance of families supplementing education outside of school. That shouldn't be necessary IMO.

Yes, it is a shame when a parade of GOP governors and GOP presidents do what they can to undermine funding and policies that can help students.

School is overfunded for such poor results. Time to fire all of the admins.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.

Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping

What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.

Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.

Explain please. The PP mentioned Dubya and Trump as benefiting from their race and getting into the Ivies.
Unless you're like Kamala and can't answer the simplest of direct questions

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Anonymous wrote:1950s through the 1980s.

DP, i'd extend it to late 90s with the expansion of IT until the end of the dotcom era. When you're the country with a manufacturing base that wasn't destroyed by war you have a huge advantage.

So you think the 1950's were good for non whites in the US then?

Yep, things got better, you had the great migration, brown vs board of ed, and lots of manufacturing jobs were provided! US dominance post war of manufacturing plus a strong military meant lots of job job jobs! Strong unions too.

Do you think women were equal then?

Women and men will never be equal. Viva la difference! They have complementary traits. Plus not having to slave away to some boss in an office has benefits.

Do you know what the tax rates were in the 1950's-1980?

Almost no one paid those taxes on a personal level. On the other hand corporate tax policy did mean that companies gave more benefits to employees and there was more investment in technology. Look at Bell Labs, Xerox Parc, or IBM Research Labs which were in part a result of tax policy.

Do you know how much the Dow grew in the late 1950's to early 1970's?

PE ratio expansion isn't exactly a great thing. On the otherhand if you were a dividend investor, you were fine.

If you think that post war era was so great, you are looking at it through a very narrow lens.

Not at all!

Today we have lousy work life ballance, an economy based off intangibles that can easily be disrupted, a (legally) drugged up population, tons of neighbors who are isolated from one another with no sense of community, and if you are a service worker, lousy job prospects with poor benefits.

but we have iphones and LGBT acceptance so i guess its a fair tradeoff.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.

Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping

What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.

Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.

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Because the Democrats are actually trying to make things better, but they're not miracle workers. Maga seem to want a miracle. That needs to be pointed out when their delusion is leading us to someone like Trump.

Things under the Democrats are not getting better.

They are in my USA of facts. Crime is down. Markets are up. Unemployment is down AND the participation rate is up. Yes inflation is high, but we had high inflation without the good stuff in the 80s. Yes we have two wars, but our soldiers aren't there, and we lost many marines on foreign deployment in the 80s.

Can’t imagine leaving the car unlocked like I used to. Those days are not coming back.

Mayberry was the 1960's. A lot has changed since then.

Fairfax VA in the late 90s

Fairfax schools used to be great too, with marked decline under unanimous Dem school boards. Now, they only give the appearance of being good due to abundance of families supplementing education outside of school. That shouldn't be necessary IMO.

Yes, it is a shame when a parade of GOP governors and GOP presidents do what they can to undermine funding and policies that can help students.

Anonymous wrote:America was much better when most children were raised in functional nuclear families.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.

1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children

Business would hire US citizens and train them

College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving

It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker

So what policies are Trump proposing to get us there? Because tariffs and deporting migrant workers won't.

Clearly all Trump supporters and other republicans are avoiding this thread, so they aren't here to answer your question.

My take is those two are exactly what maga want. IME, aside from the nazis, the other maga are people who feel they and their kids can't compete today. The Democrats should take heed and try to take some of the edge off what we used to call 'globalism' in the 80s.

The Democrats passed the CHIPs Act, which is materially bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. This is already in process.

Except the government got involved, overspent billions per usual and Intel flopped. The chips act is already an object failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.

Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping

What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.

Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.

Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping

What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.

1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children

Business would hire US citizens and train them

College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving

It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker

So what policies are Trump proposing to get us there? Because tariffs and deporting migrant workers won't.

Clearly all Trump supporters and other republicans are avoiding this thread, so they aren't here to answer your question.

My take is those two are exactly what maga want. IME, aside from the nazis, the other maga are people who feel they and their kids can't compete today. The Democrats should take heed and try to take some of the edge off what we used to call 'globalism' in the 80s.

The Democrats passed the CHIPs Act, which is materially bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. This is already in process.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.

Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.