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Anonymous wrote:This dude literally came out and said, "this is normal recurrent use of language in science." This is so absurd and basically takes a big peepee all over the scientific method and academic research. That alone should be clear evidence that he isn't qualified to be president of a research university

Show me where he said “normal”

Saying “not uncommon” is basically the same thing as saying normal. Because yes, this level of plagiarism most certainly IS UNCOMMON and would get your article retracted at any respectable academic journal

https://kcby.com/news/nation-world/university-of-maryland-rejects-plagiarism-accusation-against-school-president-college-park-joshua-altmann-umd-darryll-pines-australian-higher-education-academia-umd-dc-college-uni-dissertation

It would not merit a retraction.
The writing was deemed to be acceptable quality at publication. Nothing new and disqualifying about the writing has been discovered

It would merit a correction to add quotation and citation, disciplinary action against the author for their misbehavior, and public lesson to the community about proper credit.

How can the university punish any act of student plagiarism now? The lesson here is that plagiarism isn’t that big a deal.

Anonymous wrote:Par for the course at UMD. It has never been a serious competitor as a top university so why should it have a serious president. At least there are good schools in neighboring Virginia and DC

Empty insults from the cheap seats are empty.

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Your source is problematic, OP.

I'll wait until it hits the mainstream news.

He confessed.

"While I am steadfast that our results, data and findings are sound, I acknowledge recurrent language in the introductory sections.”

He copied a few pages of background material.

Does that change the core of the paper? No.

Was it a cowardly and dishonest way to fill space and set the context of the paper? Yes.

Is it claiming credit for someone else's expository work? Yes.

What message does this send to UMD students? If he plagiarized and apologized, and still retains his position, that's a terrible message to the students. He needs to step down.

-parent of UMD student.

I seriously hope that if an engineering student invented something amazing and when writing the results copied and pasted the introduction we would care more about the invention.

Then why does umd and every other university have a na academic dishonesty code of conduct, where plagiarism can result in expulsion.

Kind of hypocritical of umd to expel students for plagiarizing now.

I agree it’s a ridiculous, old, and unrealistic rule, not to mention it’s impossible to police. Just mark them down if you catch it and move on.

Maybe for journalism majors but otherwise let’s stress content,

So, how will Pines be "marked down" for this? Leave without pay for a month or two?

Idk how are Wall Street thugs handled when they steal $1B … fine them $100K.

No good research paper doesn’t have an editor. You think when you read a paper, a book, a new paper article it’s the authors authentic work.

Ffs do you people have jobs.

Oh, ffs, why do you think plagiarism is considered a serious academic breach, enough to get a student kicked out.

1500 words were copied verbatim.

The president of UMD should be held to the same academic standards as the students, if not more so.

PS If you want the $1b WS thugs to pay more for their crimes, please contact your congress rep.

How will congress continue to do insider trading if they put their sons in jail?

? two wrongs don't make a right? And no one said he should go to jail. Stop making excuses for dishonesty. If this is nbd, then UMD should remove the academic dishonesty from their code of conduct.

-UMD Parent

I agree about removing the code of conduct.

This reminds me of the difference between a "small action" and an "action with a small impact".

People are often excused for small actions with large impact, like DUI or sexual harassment and assault, or various kinds of negligence. People think "it's an easy mistake to make, so it shouldn't have a major impact on the offender.

What's important to acknowledge is that actions have impact on other people.

This instance of plagiarism isn't as bad as a rape or leacit your baby in a hot car, but it's still wrong, and a person of integrity should own up to that.
No one was deeply harmed by this, not the original author of the tutorial, nor the readers the journal, nor someone spending their time writing their own introduction to their own paper instead of doing more research.

But it makes academia a little dirtier and less fair. And the reaction matter more than the act. Does one respond by trying to clean up, apologize, and make amends, even if it means potentially putting their extremely privileged elite career at slight risk of demotion? Or does one respond with denial and lying, digging in to make the culture a little more toxic and unfair and disrespected? What do we expect from our [/b]leaders[/b] does selfishness and greed have no bound?

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Anonymous wrote:He also said the plagiarism claims have no merit in a university wide email. Which means he thinks copying 1/3 of an article is perfectly fine

hm.. so if a student copies verbatim 1/3 of their paper, then it should be fine. UMD is setting the bar pretty low. I'm extremely disappointed.

Exactly. You can't have two different "honor" codes for student body and the President

Par for the course at UMD. It has never been a serious competitor as a top university so why should it have a serious president. At least there are good schools in neighboring Virginia and DC

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Lawyers use boilerplate language in contracts and laws, and largely public domain via government. (But there is some controversial intellectual property practices around copyrighting the text of laes and standards).

But those are functional works, not creative expressive works. Contract writers don't sign their name to the work.
A research paper is claimed to be an original work by an author. When a different author writes 1/3 the paper, their name should be on it.

When you spend hours copying someone else's work and changing the spelling of words, and don't give credit, simultaneously claiming that work is so meaningless that it doesn't deserve credit, but so meaningful that you'd send hours to carefully merge kt into your work, that's simply depraved.

Damn, it really is pathetic when you put it this way.

How can a person remain as President when he has the respect of none of the students and few of the faculty?

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Anonymous wrote:This dude literally came out and said, "this is normal recurrent use of language in science." This is so absurd and basically takes a big peepee all over the scientific method and academic research. That alone should be clear evidence that he isn't qualified to be president of a research university

Show me where he said “normal”

Saying “not uncommon” is basically the same thing as saying normal. Because yes, this level of plagiarism most certainly IS UNCOMMON and would get your article retracted at any respectable academic journal

https://kcby.com/news/nation-world/university-of-maryland-rejects-plagiarism-accusation-against-school-president-college-park-joshua-altmann-umd-darryll-pines-australian-higher-education-academia-umd-dc-college-uni-dissertation

We do use boiler plate language for documents so makes sense.

Lawyers use boilerplate language in contracts and laws, and largely public domain via government. (But there is some controversial intellectual property practices around copyrighting the text of laes and standards).

But those are functional works, not creative expressive works. Contract writers don't sign their name to the work.
A research paper is claimed to be an original work by an author. When a different author writes 1/3 the paper, their name should be on it.

When you spend hours copying someone else's work and changing the spelling of words, and don't give credit, simultaneously claiming that work is so meaningless that it doesn't deserve credit, but so meaningful that you'd send hours to carefully merge kt into your work, that's simply depraved.

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Anonymous wrote:This dude literally came out and said, "this is normal recurrent use of language in science." This is so absurd and basically takes a big peepee all over the scientific method and academic research. That alone should be clear evidence that he isn't qualified to be president of a research university

Show me where he said “normal”

Saying “not uncommon” is basically the same thing as saying normal. Because yes, this level of plagiarism most certainly IS UNCOMMON and would get your article retracted at any respectable academic journal

https://kcby.com/news/nation-world/university-of-maryland-rejects-plagiarism-accusation-against-school-president-college-park-joshua-altmann-umd-darryll-pines-australian-higher-education-academia-umd-dc-college-uni-dissertation

We do use boiler plate language for documents so makes sense.

Hi Darryll

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Anonymous wrote:This dude literally came out and said, "this is normal recurrent use of language in science." This is so absurd and basically takes a big peepee all over the scientific method and academic research. That alone should be clear evidence that he isn't qualified to be president of a research university

Show me where he said “normal”

Saying “not uncommon” is basically the same thing as saying normal. Because yes, this level of plagiarism most certainly IS UNCOMMON and would get your article retracted at any respectable academic journal

https://kcby.com/news/nation-world/university-of-maryland-rejects-plagiarism-accusation-against-school-president-college-park-joshua-altmann-umd-darryll-pines-australian-higher-education-academia-umd-dc-college-uni-dissertation

That's hideous.
He, his mouthpiece, and his ChatGPT that probably wrote the "justification" dont understand the difference between "recurrent language in research" (which is a concept that Pines appears to have invented or add a major novel extension to last week, unless, of course, as usual, he copied it from somewhere else and didn't credit the source) and not citing the source he copied form. That's copyright violation and dishonesty.

Anonymous wrote:He also said the plagiarism claims have no merit in a university wide email. Which means he thinks copying 1/3 of an article is perfectly fine

hm.. so if a student copies verbatim 1/3 of their paper, then it should be fine. UMD is setting the bar pretty low. I'm extremely disappointed.

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Your source is problematic, OP.

I'll wait until it hits the mainstream news.

He confessed.

"While I am steadfast that our results, data and findings are sound, I acknowledge recurrent language in the introductory sections.”

He copied a few pages of background material.

Does that change the core of the paper? No.

Was it a cowardly and dishonest way to fill space and set the context of the paper? Yes.

Is it claiming credit for someone else's expository work? Yes.

What message does this send to UMD students? If he plagiarized and apologized, and still retains his position, that's a terrible message to the students. He needs to step down.

-parent of UMD student.

I seriously hope that if an engineering student invented something amazing and when writing the results copied and pasted the introduction we would care more about the invention.

Then why does umd and every other university have a na academic dishonesty code of conduct, where plagiarism can result in expulsion.

Kind of hypocritical of umd to expel students for plagiarizing now.

I agree it’s a ridiculous, old, and unrealistic rule, not to mention it’s impossible to police. Just mark them down if you catch it and move on.

Maybe for journalism majors but otherwise let’s stress content,

So, how will Pines be "marked down" for this? Leave without pay for a month or two?

Idk how are Wall Street thugs handled when they steal $1B … fine them $100K.

No good research paper doesn’t have an editor. You think when you read a paper, a book, a new paper article it’s the authors authentic work.

Ffs do you people have jobs.

Oh, ffs, why do you think plagiarism is considered a serious academic breach, enough to get a student kicked out.

1500 words were copied verbatim.

The president of UMD should be held to the same academic standards as the students, if not more so.

PS If you want the $1b WS thugs to pay more for their crimes, please contact your congress rep.

How will congress continue to do insider trading if they put their sons in jail?

? two wrongs don't make a right? And no one said he should go to jail. Stop making excuses for dishonesty. If this is nbd, then UMD should remove the academic dishonesty from their code of conduct.

-UMD Parent

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Anonymous wrote:This dude literally came out and said, "this is normal recurrent use of language in science." This is so absurd and basically takes a big peepee all over the scientific method and academic research. That alone should be clear evidence that he isn't qualified to be president of a research university

Show me where he said “normal”

Saying “not uncommon” is basically the same thing as saying normal. Because yes, this level of plagiarism most certainly IS UNCOMMON and would get your article retracted at any respectable academic journal

https://kcby.com/news/nation-world/university-of-maryland-rejects-plagiarism-accusation-against-school-president-college-park-joshua-altmann-umd-darryll-pines-australian-higher-education-academia-umd-dc-college-uni-dissertation

We do use boiler plate language for documents so makes sense.