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Anonymous wrote:Master List of 2025 National Merit Semifinalists - APS, FCPS, LCPS, MCPS - note that the cut-off this year for both Maryland and Virginia was the same (222). Schools with STEM or IB magnet programs are italicized.

TJ (FCPS) 81
Blair (MCPS) 42
Richard Montgomery (MCPS) 24
Poolesville (MCPS) 21
Langley (FCPS) 19
McLean (FCPS) 16
Walter Johnson (MCPS) 15
Oakton (FCPS) 11
Chantilly (FCPS) 10
Churchill (MCPS) 10
Whitman (MCPS) 10
Lake Braddock (FCPS) 9
Madison (FCPS) 9
W-L (APS) 7
Independence (LCPS) 6
Woodson (FCPS) 6
B-CC (MCPS) 5
Briar Woods (LCPS) 5
Lightridge (LCPS) 5
Marshall (FCPS) 5
Rock Ridge (LCPS) 5
Wootton (MCPS) 5
Champe (LCPS) 4
Fairfax (FCPS) 4
Riverside (LCPS) 4
Robinson (FCPS) 4
Centreville (FCPS) 3
H-B Woodson (APS) 3
Potomac Falls (LCPS) 3
South Lakes (FCPS) 3
West Springfield (FCPS) 3
Westfield (FCPS) 3
Yorktown (APS) 3
Broad Run (LCPS) 2
Dominion (LCPS) 2
Edison (FCPS) 2
Freedom (LCPS) 2
Quince Orchard (MCPS) 2
Stone Bridge (LCPS) 2
Wakefield (APS) 2
Wheaton (MCPS) 2
Blake (MCPS) 1
Clarksburg (MCPS) 1
Hayfield (FCPS) 1
Heritage (LCPS) 1
Herndon (FCPS) 1
Loudoun County (LCPS) 1
Magruder (MCPS) 1
Northwest (MCPS) 1
Sherwood (MCPS) 1
West Potomac (FCPS) 1
Annandale (FCPS) 0
Damascus (MCPS) 0
Einstein (MCPS) 0
Falls Church (FCPS) 0
Gaithersburg (MCPS) 0
Justice (FCPS) 0
Kennedy (MCPS) 0
Lewis (FCPS) 0
Loudoun Valley (LCPS) 0
Mount Vernon (FCPS) 0
Northwood (MCPS) 0
Paint Branch (MCPS) 0
Park View (LCPS) 0
Rockville (MCPS) 0
Seneca Valley (MCPS) 0
South County (FCPS) 0
Springbrook (MCPS) 0
Tuscarora (LCPS) 0
Watkins Mill (MCPS) 0
Woodgrove (LCPS) 0

Thanks for the list. Would be great if it was normalized to student body size. The actual difference between Langley and Lake Braddock should be far more apparent when compared to number of kids.

Anonymous wrote:Our school has not yet intimated us about this, however DD is in this list. What would be the next steps. Any guidance would be appreciated.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. But no one implemented the admissions changes so that psat scores would remain super high. They were implemented knowing they would drop. So the dropping is not a surprise. It’s anticipated. More interested in seeing college admissions info for this group than their psat scores. We have to wait for that.

College admissions is not a measure of merit. I can totally see better results due to more diversity. But, should TJ play the admission games?

I really, really don't think that better admissions was what the school board/Gatehouse was going for when they changed TJ admissions. They were going - by their own words - for a student body more reflective of the racial makeup of our area. Whether you agree with that or disagree with that, it's what they said.

I'm sure they didn't say that. You wanted to see college admissions as a measure of success for the new TJ admission rules, and I'm merely pointing put I would not surprise me if college admissions is better because the new TJ admission align more with college admission preference.

While I agree with your sentiment - I dont think the college outcomes will be better - I expect them to be the same or a bit lower.

Contrary to the rumors - the TJ curriculum rigor has remained the same - and will result in lower average grades or lower % taking the most hardest courses at TJ.

This should impact the overall admissions outcomes, as colleges use GPA as the first filter.

Anonymous wrote:Master List of 2025 National Merit Semifinalists - APS, FCPS, LCPS, MCPS - note that the cut-off this year for both Maryland and Virginia was the same (222). Schools with STEM or IB magnet programs are italicized.

TJ (FCPS) 81
Blair (MCPS) 42
Richard Montgomery (MCPS) 24
Poolesville (MCPS) 21
Langley (FCPS) 19
McLean (FCPS) 16
Walter Johnson (MCPS) 15
Oakton (FCPS) 11
Chantilly (FCPS) 10
Churchill (MCPS) 10
Whitman (MCPS) 10
Lake Braddock (FCPS) 9
Madison (FCPS) 9
W-L (APS) 7
Independence (LCPS) 6
Woodson (FCPS) 6
B-CC (MCPS) 5
Briar Woods (LCPS) 5
Lightridge (LCPS) 5
Marshall (FCPS) 5
Rock Ridge (LCPS) 5
Wootton (MCPS) 5
Champe (LCPS) 4
Fairfax (FCPS) 4
Riverside (LCPS) 4
Robinson (FCPS) 4
Centreville (FCPS) 3
H-B Woodson (APS) 3
Potomac Falls (LCPS) 3
South Lakes (FCPS) 3
West Springfield (FCPS) 3
Westfield (FCPS) 3
Yorktown (APS) 3
Broad Run (LCPS) 2
Dominion (LCPS) 2
Edison (FCPS) 2
Freedom (LCPS) 2
Quince Orchard (MCPS) 2
Stone Bridge (LCPS) 2
Wakefield (APS) 2
Wheaton (MCPS) 2
Blake (MCPS) 1
Clarksburg (MCPS) 1
Hayfield (FCPS) 1
Heritage (LCPS) 1
Herndon (FCPS) 1
Loudoun County (LCPS) 1
Magruder (MCPS) 1
Northwest (MCPS) 1
Sherwood (MCPS) 1
West Potomac (FCPS) 1
Annandale (FCPS) 0
Damascus (MCPS) 0
Einstein (MCPS) 0
Falls Church (FCPS) 0
Gaithersburg (MCPS) 0
Justice (FCPS) 0
Kennedy (MCPS) 0
Lewis (FCPS) 0
Loudoun Valley (LCPS) 0
Mount Vernon (FCPS) 0
Northwood (MCPS) 0
Paint Branch (MCPS) 0
Park View (LCPS) 0
Rockville (MCPS) 0
Seneca Valley (MCPS) 0
South County (FCPS) 0
Springbrook (MCPS) 0
Tuscarora (LCPS) 0
Watkins Mill (MCPS) 0
Woodgrove (LCPS) 0

Anonymous wrote:Master List of 2025 National Merit Semifinalists - APS, FCPS, LCPS, MCPS - note that the cut-off this year for both Maryland and Virginia was the same (222). Schools with STEM or IB magnet programs are italicized.

TJ (FCPS) 81
Blair (MCPS) 42
Richard Montgomery (MCPS) 24
Poolesville (MCPS) 21
Langley (FCPS) 19
McLean (FCPS) 16
Walter Johnson (MCPS) 15
Oakton (FCPS) 11
Chantilly (FCPS) 10
Churchill (MCPS) 10
Whitman (MCPS) 10
Lake Braddock (FCPS) 9
Madison (FCPS) 9
W-L (APS) 7
Independence (LCPS) 6
Woodson (FCPS) 6
B-CC (MCPS) 5
Briar Woods (LCPS) 5
Lightridge (LCPS) 5
Marshall (FCPS) 5
Rock Ridge (LCPS) 5
Wootton (MCPS) 5
Champe (LCPS) 4
Fairfax (FCPS) 4
Riverside (LCPS) 4
Robinson (FCPS) 4
Centreville (FCPS) 3
H-B Woodson (APS) 3
Potomac Falls (LCPS) 3
South Lakes (FCPS) 3
West Springfield (FCPS) 3
Westfield (FCPS) 3
Yorktown (APS) 3
Broad Run (LCPS) 2
Dominion (LCPS) 2
Edison (FCPS) 2
Freedom (LCPS) 2
Quince Orchard (MCPS) 2
Stone Bridge (LCPS) 2
Wakefield (APS) 2
Wheaton (MCPS) 2
Blake (MCPS) 1
Clarksburg (MCPS) 1
Hayfield (FCPS) 1
Heritage (LCPS) 1
Herndon (FCPS) 1
Loudoun County (LCPS) 1
Magruder (MCPS) 1
Northwest (MCPS) 1
Sherwood (MCPS) 1
West Potomac (FCPS) 1
Annandale (FCPS) 0
Damascus (MCPS) 0
Einstein (MCPS) 0
Falls Church (FCPS) 0
Gaithersburg (MCPS) 0
Justice (FCPS) 0
Kennedy (MCPS) 0
Lewis (FCPS) 0
Loudoun Valley (LCPS) 0
Mount Vernon (FCPS) 0
Northwood (MCPS) 0
Paint Branch (MCPS) 0
Park View (LCPS) 0
Rockville (MCPS) 0
Seneca Valley (MCPS) 0
South County (FCPS) 0
Springbrook (MCPS) 0
Tuscarora (LCPS) 0
Watkins Mill (MCPS) 0
Woodgrove (LCPS) 0

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. But no one implemented the admissions changes so that psat scores would remain super high. They were implemented knowing they would drop. So the dropping is not a surprise. It’s anticipated. More interested in seeing college admissions info for this group than their psat scores. We have to wait for that.

College admissions is not a measure of merit. I can totally see better results due to more diversity. But, should TJ play the admission games?

I really, really don't think that better admissions was what the school board/Gatehouse was going for when they changed TJ admissions. They were going - by their own words - for a student body more reflective of the racial makeup of our area. Whether you agree with that or disagree with that, it's what they said.

I'm sure they didn't say that. You wanted to see college admissions as a measure of success for the new TJ admission rules, and I'm merely pointing put I would not surprise me if college admissions is better because the new TJ admission align more with college admission preference.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. But no one implemented the admissions changes so that psat scores would remain super high. They were implemented knowing they would drop. So the dropping is not a surprise. It’s anticipated. More interested in seeing college admissions info for this group than their psat scores. We have to wait for that.

College admissions is not a measure of merit. I can totally see better results due to more diversity. But, should TJ play the admission games?

I really, really don't think that better admissions was what the school board/Gatehouse was going for when they changed TJ admissions. They were going - by their own words - for a student body more reflective of the racial makeup of our area. Whether you agree with that or disagree with that, it's what they said.

I'm sure they didn't say that. You wanted to see college admissions as a measure of success for the new TJ admission rules, and I'm merely pointing put I would not surprise me if college admissions is better because the new TJ admission align more with college admission preference.

They absolutely did say that. It is in court documents.

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Anonymous wrote:We know what explains the TJ drop. What explains the FCPS drop?

FCPS educational quality has been quietly declining for a long time compared to the rest of the state, so we no longer have as many NMSF as the rest of the state.

Or it's a one-off year because the difference between commended and semifinalist is a question or two here or there on each section.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. But no one implemented the admissions changes so that psat scores would remain super high. They were implemented knowing they would drop. So the dropping is not a surprise. It’s anticipated. More interested in seeing college admissions info for this group than their psat scores. We have to wait for that.

College admissions is not a measure of merit. I can totally see better results due to more diversity. But, should TJ play the admission games?

I really, really don't think that better admissions was what the school board/Gatehouse was going for when they changed TJ admissions. They were going - by their own words - for a student body more reflective of the racial makeup of our area. Whether you agree with that or disagree with that, it's what they said.

I'm sure they didn't say that. You wanted to see college admissions as a measure of success for the new TJ admission rules, and I'm merely pointing put I would not surprise me if college admissions is better because the new TJ admission align more with college admission preference.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok. But no one implemented the admissions changes so that psat scores would remain super high. They were implemented knowing they would drop. So the dropping is not a surprise. It’s anticipated. More interested in seeing college admissions info for this group than their psat scores. We have to wait for that.

College admissions is not a measure of merit. I can totally see better results due to more diversity. But, should TJ play the admission games?

I really, really don't think that better admissions was what the school board/Gatehouse was going for when they changed TJ admissions. They were going - by their own words - for a student body more reflective of the racial makeup of our area. Whether you agree with that or disagree with that, it's what they said.

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Are the stats here from last year for the class of 2024 and wasn’t that the last class to graduate under the old system?

The first class in the new system I thought is class of 2025 and don’t there NMPF stats come out this month?

Anonymous wrote:We know what explains the TJ drop. What explains the FCPS drop?