Anonymous
08/23/2024 12:08
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
I truly hate yogurt. Will never ever eat it with a spoon.
But it turns out I actually like smoothies made with plain Greek yogurt. (Plain is key - any flavored yogurt has a ton of added sugar. đ)
My doctors gave me focused on high protein/ low carb. So I donât include sugar, bananas, or any other fruit except strawberries in moderation (low carb). If your doctor says youâre ok with carbs, you have a lot more options.
Hereâs my go-to:
PLAIN Greek yogurt + chocolate protein drink + mint extract + a few ice cubes
Sometimes I drop the mint and add PB2 (powdered peanuts - no extra oil/fat) or coffee instead of half the chocolate protein drink.
If you want extra fruit flavor without the added sugar in fruit yogurt (or natural sugar/carbs of actual berries, consider fruit-flavored Stevia drops. Not 100% natural, but my doctor said itâs the best sweetener she can recommend - will not spike your blood sugar and can be used to add sweetness and flavor.)
Again, I say all this as someone who has always HATED yogurt. But plain Greek yogurt is so high in easy protein that I forced myself to figure out a solution. Glad I did.
Next project: Figuring out how to work in cottage cheese. My doctor said itâs another fantastic source of low carb, low calorie protein.
Looking at it completely grosses me out (curds đ¤Ž) but Iâm hoping to just dump it in a blender without looking and combine it with something that makes it palatable. Sweet? Savory? Any recommendations???
But it turns out I actually like smoothies made with plain Greek yogurt. (Plain is key - any flavored yogurt has a ton of added sugar. đ)
My doctors gave me focused on high protein/ low carb. So I donât include sugar, bananas, or any other fruit except strawberries in moderation (low carb). If your doctor says youâre ok with carbs, you have a lot more options.
Hereâs my go-to:
PLAIN Greek yogurt + chocolate protein drink + mint extract + a few ice cubes
Sometimes I drop the mint and add PB2 (powdered peanuts - no extra oil/fat) or coffee instead of half the chocolate protein drink.
If you want extra fruit flavor without the added sugar in fruit yogurt (or natural sugar/carbs of actual berries, consider fruit-flavored Stevia drops. Not 100% natural, but my doctor said itâs the best sweetener she can recommend - will not spike your blood sugar and can be used to add sweetness and flavor.)
Again, I say all this as someone who has always HATED yogurt. But plain Greek yogurt is so high in easy protein that I forced myself to figure out a solution. Glad I did.
Next project: Figuring out how to work in cottage cheese. My doctor said itâs another fantastic source of low carb, low calorie protein.
Looking at it completely grosses me out (curds đ¤Ž) but Iâm hoping to just dump it in a blender without looking and combine it with something that makes it palatable. Sweet? Savory? Any recommendations???
Anonymous
08/23/2024 12:02
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Typical gaslighting dcum where they twist everything to feel superior. Ordinary people with normal eating habits do not count grams of protein. They eat moderate diets, mostly homemade meals, stews, beans, salads, roasted meats with veggies, or whatever your culture considers healthy.
But you can sure twist the story about how cavemen lived less and that it is okay to count grams of this or that macros and micros!
You all know you are wrong and worse, your kids are watching you count grams, and they will have eating disorders just like you have, but you think you are doing it all for healthy eating!
You know what PP meant, and you are gaslighting to justify your illness.
Why on earth would healthy 40-year-old women need to count grams of protein? We are not living longer because a few of you are counting grams of this or that. We live less in most of the U.S. because we have forgotten how to cook balanced meals.
Americans, in general, have dropped their lifespan again. If you were eating a pizza a day and all the store-bought ready meals, that is not the norm, and now you are counting grams BCS; you were too stupid to start with. Nobody is comparing our eating habits to cavemen.
I hope you are not counting your stupid grams of protein in front of your kids, BCS you are doing some serious harm to them!
I know from my experience when I gave in to mostly dcum idiocy of IF! My kids saw it all and thought IF was great! I am trying to fix it all now and have told my kids how sorry I am for this stupid behavior.
You will dismiss my post, but I know you will because you are eating narcissists, and you are never wrong!
Make regular homemade meals with some meat and eat as we did before the canned and prepackaged meal revolution and before the take-out insanity.
Your basic premise is entirely false because we have lost track of what normal eating habits are. Americans (and the world) are gaining tons of weight. Nearly every day, someone comes into this subgroup and says a variation of âI eat healthy and I cannot lose weight.â The first questions should be - what are you eating and how much. Often the how much gets lost around. Thatâs what counting does, helps you be sure about how much you are eating until you can reset your internal system.
You sound so angry. I wonder why. In my experience, healthy (physically and mentally) people donât sit around on an anonymous message board insulting people.
Anonymous
08/23/2024 11:56
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
I havenât read the previous posts, but has anyone mentioned edamame?
My doctor recommended it as a high protein/high fiber/low carb superfood. (Completely different than chickpeas, which are very starchy - high fiber but also high carb and low protein compared to edamame.)
Itâs been a game-changer for me. Especially this pasta (all the brands are good, actually.)
P.S. I had estrogen-positive breast cancer, and none of my doctors are worried about adding a bunch of edamame/soy beans. No faux estrogen effects, according to my oncologist and other doctors.
https://www.amazon.com/Seapoint-Farms-Organic-Spaghetti-Gluten-Free/dp/B084HY5LY6/ref=asc_df_B084HY5LY6/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693129827168&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=88728993254917731&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9005672&hvtargid=pla-1440055272621&psc=1&mcid=813c6888d54b3707a1ebe991ad67d4b7&gad_source=1
My doctor recommended it as a high protein/high fiber/low carb superfood. (Completely different than chickpeas, which are very starchy - high fiber but also high carb and low protein compared to edamame.)
Itâs been a game-changer for me. Especially this pasta (all the brands are good, actually.)
P.S. I had estrogen-positive breast cancer, and none of my doctors are worried about adding a bunch of edamame/soy beans. No faux estrogen effects, according to my oncologist and other doctors.
https://www.amazon.com/Seapoint-Farms-Organic-Spaghetti-Gluten-Free/dp/B084HY5LY6/ref=asc_df_B084HY5LY6/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693129827168&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=88728993254917731&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9005672&hvtargid=pla-1440055272621&psc=1&mcid=813c6888d54b3707a1ebe991ad67d4b7&gad_source=1
Anonymous
08/23/2024 09:15
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eat enough calories. Thatâs it. No one in America who has a calorically adequate diet is actually protein-deficient.
Agree. All the middle aged 125 lb women on here saying they âneedâ 100+ grams of protein are misguided. If you are eating a balanced diet that includes dairy/meat, get enough calories, and arenât training to be a body builder, you are getting enough protein
If she feels good on 100g then why not? Her body is telling her 100g is working for her. Middle aged women have big jobs and multiple kids and may skip a meal now and then, if you lift, thatâs tough on the body, so an extra boost here and there should be ok. Everybody is different. When I did IF with about 40g protein I would get sick constantly, and I would sleep a lot. 80-100g puts me in a state of mental clarity and 7hr zzz is more than enough.
Sometime your body tells you things feel good that are not, in the long run, good for you. Surely this is not new news.
IF itself is bunk so I canât help you there.
IF is not bunk at all. Itâs great for your body to go through fasting periods.
There isnât any valid science on this. All the most recent research confirms itâs nothing more than a calorie restriction tool. Taken to the extreme it has negative impact on your body muscle composition.
Just stop eating so much and donât eat junk.
Recently some pretty good science has come out about the benefits of IF. Read Michael Moseley's book.
Yes, there is good science about IF, but not for weight loss. Those crazy Soviets had fasting clinics in the 70s and they worked for illnesses. They would do 40 day fasts, but controlled by doctors and in a "rehab" centers, so to say.
Anonymous
08/23/2024 08:49
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eat enough calories. Thatâs it. No one in America who has a calorically adequate diet is actually protein-deficient.
Agree. All the middle aged 125 lb women on here saying they âneedâ 100+ grams of protein are misguided. If you are eating a balanced diet that includes dairy/meat, get enough calories, and arenât training to be a body builder, you are getting enough protein
If she feels good on 100g then why not? Her body is telling her 100g is working for her. Middle aged women have big jobs and multiple kids and may skip a meal now and then, if you lift, thatâs tough on the body, so an extra boost here and there should be ok. Everybody is different. When I did IF with about 40g protein I would get sick constantly, and I would sleep a lot. 80-100g puts me in a state of mental clarity and 7hr zzz is more than enough.
Sometime your body tells you things feel good that are not, in the long run, good for you. Surely this is not new news.
IF itself is bunk so I canât help you there.
IF is not bunk at all. Itâs great for your body to go through fasting periods.
Yes, there is good science about IF, but not for weight loss. Those crazy Soviets had fasting clinics in the 70s and they worked for illnesses. They would do 40 day fasts, but controlled by doctors and in a "rehab" centers, so to say.
There isnât any valid science on this. All the most recent research confirms itâs nothing more than a calorie restriction tool. Taken to the extreme it has negative impact on your body muscle composition.
Just stop eating so much and donât eat junk.
Recently some pretty good science has come out about the benefits of IF. Read Michael Moseley's book.
Anonymous
08/23/2024 08:36
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Typical gaslighting dcum where they twist everything to feel superior. Ordinary people with normal eating habits do not count grams of protein. They eat moderate diets, mostly homemade meals, stews, beans, salads, roasted meats with veggies, or whatever your culture considers healthy.
But you can sure twist the story about how cavemen lived less and that it is okay to count grams of this or that macros and micros!
You all know you are wrong and worse, your kids are watching you count grams, and they will have eating disorders just like you have, but you think you are doing it all for healthy eating!
You know what PP meant, and you are gaslighting to justify your illness.
Why on earth would healthy 40-year-old women need to count grams of protein? We are not living longer because a few of you are counting grams of this or that. We live less in most of the U.S. because we have forgotten how to cook balanced meals.
Americans, in general, have dropped their lifespan again. If you were eating a pizza a day and all the store-bought ready meals, that is not the norm, and now you are counting grams BCS; you were too stupid to start with. Nobody is comparing our eating habits to cavemen.
I hope you are not counting your stupid grams of protein in front of your kids, BCS you are doing some serious harm to them!
I know from my experience when I gave in to mostly dcum idiocy of IF! My kids saw it all and thought IF was great! I am trying to fix it all now and have told my kids how sorry I am for this stupid behavior.
You will dismiss my post, but I know you will because you are eating narcissists, and you are never wrong!
Make regular homemade meals with some meat and eat as we did before the canned and prepackaged meal revolution and before the take-out insanity.
But you can sure twist the story about how cavemen lived less and that it is okay to count grams of this or that macros and micros!
You all know you are wrong and worse, your kids are watching you count grams, and they will have eating disorders just like you have, but you think you are doing it all for healthy eating!
You know what PP meant, and you are gaslighting to justify your illness.
Why on earth would healthy 40-year-old women need to count grams of protein? We are not living longer because a few of you are counting grams of this or that. We live less in most of the U.S. because we have forgotten how to cook balanced meals.
Americans, in general, have dropped their lifespan again. If you were eating a pizza a day and all the store-bought ready meals, that is not the norm, and now you are counting grams BCS; you were too stupid to start with. Nobody is comparing our eating habits to cavemen.
I hope you are not counting your stupid grams of protein in front of your kids, BCS you are doing some serious harm to them!
I know from my experience when I gave in to mostly dcum idiocy of IF! My kids saw it all and thought IF was great! I am trying to fix it all now and have told my kids how sorry I am for this stupid behavior.
You will dismiss my post, but I know you will because you are eating narcissists, and you are never wrong!
Make regular homemade meals with some meat and eat as we did before the canned and prepackaged meal revolution and before the take-out insanity.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 17:23
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody except body builders should be counting their grams of protein. It is disordered.
The world is upside down. Itâs not disordered to track what goes into your body. Itâs disordered to eat mindlessly as many many American do.
No you are incorrect. We are without counting for millennia.
Yeah back in the good old days when life expectancy was 37 years and we cured disease by bloodletting.
Not our problem that you are ocd and have an eating disorder.
And you are a nasty person and kind of an idiot.
-DP
Ha! Nope the nasty and crazy are those that count. And what idiotic argument about living less in the past. Your grandma is likely to live or have lived longer than you.
Does not sound like you are familiar with any life span data.
+1000. We're living longer, both men and women, than our grandparents did. This actuarial fact is one of the reasons Social Security is in trouble (we're paying people to receive it for more years until they die), but I digress.
I wish people would educate themselves instead of just sniping and insulting.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 17:21
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody except body builders should be counting their grams of protein. It is disordered.
The world is upside down. Itâs not disordered to track what goes into your body. Itâs disordered to eat mindlessly as many many American do.
No you are incorrect. We are without counting for millennia.
Yeah back in the good old days when life expectancy was 37 years and we cured disease by bloodletting.
Not our problem that you are ocd and have an eating disorder.
And you are a nasty person and kind of an idiot.
-DP
Ha! Nope the nasty and crazy are those that count. And what idiotic argument about living less in the past. Your grandma is likely to live or have lived longer than you.
DP and you really are an idiot. The top quote says "We were without counting for millennia," not "your grandmother didn't count."
Not to mention the irony--our cavemen ancestors, who we agree didn't count, basically did IF as they went from feast to famine again and again. Did we evolve to do IF, then?
Also, actuarial tables show that grandma didn't live longer than we will, even if increased rates of smoking and obesity are cutting into the gains of the past decades.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 17:17
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody except body builders should be counting their grams of protein. It is disordered.
The world is upside down. Itâs not disordered to track what goes into your body. Itâs disordered to eat mindlessly as many many American do.
No you are incorrect. We are without counting for millennia.
Yeah back in the good old days when life expectancy was 37 years and we cured disease by bloodletting.
Not our problem that you are ocd and have an eating disorder.
And you are a nasty person and kind of an idiot.
-DP
+1 to the nasty idiot assessment.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 17:14
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eat enough calories. Thatâs it. No one in America who has a calorically adequate diet is actually protein-deficient.
Agree. All the middle aged 125 lb women on here saying they âneedâ 100+ grams of protein are misguided. If you are eating a balanced diet that includes dairy/meat, get enough calories, and arenât training to be a body builder, you are getting enough protein
Actually we arenât getting enough to stave off sarcopenia and muscle loss and bone density loss in old age. Thatâs what the purpose is. We see our parents becoming wheelchair bound due to hip fractures and falls and I do not want that for myself. Many doctors who specialize in this area of study agree that womenâs hormones in middle age are working against them, why wouldnât we do what we can to keep our bodies mobile?
Women still don't need 100 grams of protein for bone health.
The studies show 1.2 grams of protein per kg of body weight will maintain bone density. In my case that is about 60 grams of protein.
The protein is for muscle protection/growth, not for bone loss.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 17:13
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eat enough calories. Thatâs it. No one in America who has a calorically adequate diet is actually protein-deficient.
Agree. All the middle aged 125 lb women on here saying they âneedâ 100+ grams of protein are misguided. If you are eating a balanced diet that includes dairy/meat, get enough calories, and arenât training to be a body builder, you are getting enough protein
Actually we arenât getting enough to stave off sarcopenia and muscle loss and bone density loss in old age. Thatâs what the purpose is. We see our parents becoming wheelchair bound due to hip fractures and falls and I do not want that for myself. Many doctors who specialize in this area of study agree that womenâs hormones in middle age are working against them, why wouldnât we do what we can to keep our bodies mobile?
Women still don't need 100 grams of protein for bone health.
The studies show 1.2 grams of protein per kg of body weight will maintain bone density. In my case that is about 60 grams of protein.
The problem is when you add strength training to this, which is recommended for women as they get older and face bone density loss. If you're on a low-cal diet, then your body isn't going to build muscle, and may actually lose muscle, if you don't get enough protein.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 17:05
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eat enough calories. Thatâs it. No one in America who has a calorically adequate diet is actually protein-deficient.
Agree. All the middle aged 125 lb women on here saying they âneedâ 100+ grams of protein are misguided. If you are eating a balanced diet that includes dairy/meat, get enough calories, and arenât training to be a body builder, you are getting enough protein
If she feels good on 100g then why not? Her body is telling her 100g is working for her. Middle aged women have big jobs and multiple kids and may skip a meal now and then, if you lift, thatâs tough on the body, so an extra boost here and there should be ok. Everybody is different. When I did IF with about 40g protein I would get sick constantly, and I would sleep a lot. 80-100g puts me in a state of mental clarity and 7hr zzz is more than enough.
Sometime your body tells you things feel good that are not, in the long run, good for you. Surely this is not new news.
IF itself is bunk so I canât help you there.
IF is not bunk at all. Itâs great for your body to go through fasting periods.
There isnât any valid science on this. All the most recent research confirms itâs nothing more than a calorie restriction tool. Taken to the extreme it has negative impact on your body muscle composition.
Just stop eating so much and donât eat junk.
Recently some pretty good science has come out about the benefits of IF. Read Michael Moseley's book.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 13:13
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Nobody except body builders should be counting their grams of protein. It is disordered.
Tell that to my gestational diabetes dietician....I have to count everything. I actually weigh everything too!
And one of the ways that I can manage having increased amount of carbs is by increasing the ratio of fat and protein. Having protein prior to carbs actually limits the glucose spike and helps with satiety. The glucose spike from yogurt, fruit, and granola is radically different when the protein content of the yogurt is 22g per serving vs 8g per serving when all other factors are equal (same fruit, same weight of fruit, same weight of granola).
Carbs are not the only value that come into play when managing glucose levels. Ill also add that because that carbs are limited to 100-150g (175 if you are really lucky) you need to increase either in fats or proteins or both to get enough calories in.
Even at a IMO super low calorie consumption of 1500 calories with only 75g P plus 150g C thats a total of 900 calories. 600calories or 66g would need to be from fat. And 1500cal is LOW amount for a non-short grown a$$ female who works out and is growing another human.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 12:30
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody except body builders should be counting their grams of protein. It is disordered.
The world is upside down. Itâs not disordered to track what goes into your body. Itâs disordered to eat mindlessly as many many American do.
No you are incorrect. We are without counting for millennia.
Yeah back in the good old days when life expectancy was 37 years and we cured disease by bloodletting.
Not our problem that you are ocd and have an eating disorder.
And you are a nasty person and kind of an idiot.
-DP
Ha! Nope the nasty and crazy are those that count. And what idiotic argument about living less in the past. Your grandma is likely to live or have lived longer than you.
Does not sound like you are familiar with any life span data.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 12:29
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody except body builders should be counting their grams of protein. It is disordered.
The world is upside down. Itâs not disordered to track what goes into your body. Itâs disordered to eat mindlessly as many many American do.
No you are incorrect. We are without counting for millennia. Not our problem that you are ocd and have an eating disorder.
Yes, US society in 2024 is exactly like it was for all of millennia. There have been no changes to our daily activity and food sources in that time.
Indeed eating habits were healthier for most of our past.
How were we healthier when our life spans were much shorter?