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Post 08/09/2024 14:44     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
It’s crazy that people who know so little about these schools feel so confident in ranking them.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 14:03     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC







More like...
1.HYPSM
2a.Columbia, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
2b. Duke, Brown, Johns Hopkins
3a.Dartmouth, Northwestern
3b. Cornell, Vandy, Rice
4a. Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
4b. Umich, UCLA, CMU, UCLA
5. UNC, USC


The issue with the "prestige" question is that it often hinges on name recognition. Schools like Rice, Washington University, Emory, Vanderbilt, and CMU, while excellent, aren't as widely recognized, so they may not immediately impress people as prestigious due to limited public awareness. In contrast, Ivy League schools have established brands that inherently carry prestige, even for institutions like Brown. Additionally, many on the East Coast may not fully appreciate how highly regarded California public universities are. Is Rice or Emory truly more prestigious than Cal, UCLA, or UCSD? Some of these schools gain perceived prestige within certain communities, like the DCUM echo chamber, because they become the fallback options when students don’t get into an Ivy. Parents then feel compelled to highlight the strengths of the school their child ultimately attends.


imo Rice or Emory is inherently more "desirable" than Cal, UCLA and UCSD by miles....but that's bc of the type of education we prioritize, small classrooms, relationships with professors and bc we are not West Coast based....


I went to a school with 41,000 students and had many small classes and got to know professors. Small schools don't have the market cornered on small class size. The gauntlet of a large public isn't for everyone.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 13:15     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC







More like...
1.HYPSM
2a.Columbia, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
2b. Duke, Brown, Johns Hopkins
3a.Dartmouth, Northwestern
3b. Cornell, Vandy, Rice
4a. Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
4b. Umich, UCLA, CMU, UCLA
5. UNC, USC


The issue with the "prestige" question is that it often hinges on name recognition. Schools like Rice, Washington University, Emory, Vanderbilt, and CMU, while excellent, aren't as widely recognized, so they may not immediately impress people as prestigious due to limited public awareness. In contrast, Ivy League schools have established brands that inherently carry prestige, even for institutions like Brown. Additionally, many on the East Coast may not fully appreciate how highly regarded California public universities are. Is Rice or Emory truly more prestigious than Cal, UCLA, or UCSD? Some of these schools gain perceived prestige within certain communities, like the DCUM echo chamber, because they become the fallback options when students don’t get into an Ivy. Parents then feel compelled to highlight the strengths of the school their child ultimately attends.


imo Rice or Emory is inherently more "desirable" than Cal, UCLA and UCSD by miles....but that's bc of the type of education we prioritize, small classrooms, relationships with professors and bc we are not West Coast based....
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 10:33     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC








Highly accurate ranking ! All five groups are prestigious; Groups 1-3 are what most people mean by "Elite".


Is Vandy “easier” than schools in groups 1-3? Easier grading etc?


Vandy is easier than groups 1&2 for sure, and cornell too, but Dartmouth is known to have a lot of inflation compared to other ivies and Brown?! Seriously? Grades are optional, but of one needs a transcript with grades and a Gpa(cough, med school…law school…), As and A- are all 4.0. Every other ivy and T10 has A- equivalent to a 3.7 and A a 4.0.
Considering the median GPA at many ivies (all but princeton and penn) is a 3.75/3.8, with the A- equal to 3.7, Brown most likely has a 3.9 median
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 10:27     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC







More like...
1.HYPSM
2a.Columbia, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
2b. Duke, Brown, Johns Hopkins
3a.Dartmouth, Northwestern
3b. Cornell, Vandy, Rice
4a. Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
4b. Umich, UCLA, CMU, UCLA
5. UNC, USC


The issue with the "prestige" question is that it often hinges on name recognition. Schools like Rice, Washington University, Emory, Vanderbilt, and CMU, while excellent, aren't as widely recognized, so they may not immediately impress people as prestigious due to limited public awareness. In contrast, Ivy League schools have established brands that inherently carry prestige, even for institutions like Brown. Additionally, many on the East Coast may not fully appreciate how highly regarded California public universities are. Is Rice or Emory truly more prestigious than Cal, UCLA, or UCSD? Some of these schools gain perceived prestige within certain communities, like the DCUM echo chamber, because they become the fallback options when students don’t get into an Ivy. Parents then feel compelled to highlight the strengths of the school their child ultimately attends.

Why the shade for Brown? It is certainly not in the bottom 2 of the Ivy League
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 10:25     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:It's a solid school, academic wise. Not sure what you mean by prestigious, the rankings are what they are.

However, the social vibe (wearing ball gowns to football games etc.) may feel off for someone from the north.



No one at Vanderbilt wears a ball gown to a football game. I mean, c'mon.

Maybe the PP was there about 50 years ago.
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Post 08/09/2024 10:25     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC








Highly accurate ranking ! All five groups are prestigious; Groups 1-3 are what most people mean by "Elite".

Which schools in group 4 can move to group 3?

I think Vandy, Rice and Emory. There is the right part of the country, in big cities, and have big financial resources. Notre Dame has the money but doesn't have the location and grad school infrastructure.


excellent take - and conversely I can see Cornell moving from 3 to 4, if it hasn’t already done so

Yea all 3 went up in the global rankings. That's how it starts actually, while Cornell went down.


Yes global ranking is important, especially as chunks of the methodology relate to reasearch quality /#nobels . I like a combination of USNews (before they screwed it up last year) plus the 2 best globals. Throw in forbes if ROI matters: however usually only federal fin aid kids are included in the analysis, which makes it irrelevant for about half of students.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 10:18     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
Anonymous wrote:It's a solid school, academic wise. Not sure what you mean by prestigious, the rankings are what they are.

However, the social vibe (wearing ball gowns to football games etc.) may feel off for someone from the north.



No one at Vanderbilt wears a ball gown to a football game. I mean, c'mon.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 09:46     Subject: Re:How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
Another thread with a bunch of idiots opining on "prestige."
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 09:14     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
It's a solid school, academic wise. Not sure what you mean by prestigious, the rankings are what they are.

However, the social vibe (wearing ball gowns to football games etc.) may feel off for someone from the north.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 09:13     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
Not very good for engineering and CS
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 09:05     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC








Highly accurate ranking ! All five groups are prestigious; Groups 1-3 are what most people mean by "Elite".

Which schools in group 4 can move to group 3?

I think Vandy, Rice and Emory. There is the right part of the country, in big cities, and have big financial resources. Notre Dame has the money but doesn't have the location and grad school infrastructure.


excellent take - and conversely I can see Cornell moving from 3 to 4, if it hasn’t already done so

Yea all 3 went up in the global rankings. That's how it starts actually, while Cornell went down.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 09:03     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC







More like...
1.HYPSM
2a.Columbia, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
2b. Duke, Brown, Johns Hopkins
3a.Dartmouth, Northwestern
3b. Cornell, Vandy, Rice
4a. Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
4b. Umich, UCLA, CMU, UCLA
5. UNC, USC


The issue with the "prestige" question is that it often hinges on name recognition. Schools like Rice, Washington University, Emory, Vanderbilt, and CMU, while excellent, aren't as widely recognized, so they may not immediately impress people as prestigious due to limited public awareness. In contrast, Ivy League schools have established brands that inherently carry prestige, even for institutions like Brown. Additionally, many on the East Coast may not fully appreciate how highly regarded California public universities are. Is Rice or Emory truly more prestigious than Cal, UCLA, or UCSD? Some of these schools gain perceived prestige within certain communities, like the DCUM echo chamber, because they become the fallback options when students don’t get into an Ivy. Parents then feel compelled to highlight the strengths of the school their child ultimately attends.

UCSD will never be anywhere near these schools.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 08:28     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC








Highly accurate ranking ! All five groups are prestigious; Groups 1-3 are what most people mean by "Elite".

Which schools in group 4 can move to group 3?

I think Vandy, Rice and Emory. There is the right part of the country, in big cities, and have big financial resources. Notre Dame has the money but doesn't have the location and grad school infrastructure.


excellent take - and conversely I can see Cornell moving from 3 to 4, if it hasn’t already done so
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2024 06:52     Subject: How prestigious is Vanderbilt?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is prestigious in some circles but I agree with that it doesn't have the universal name recognition of the ivies and elite publics. If I hadn't looked at the ranking before writing this post I would have thought that it was ranked similarly to BC and BU.


This is off. Vandy is top elite -- is it MIT, Uchi, HYP -- no but it is in the next tier. Rankings are all messed up now. You cannot use them for anything. There are about 40 elite schools. Yes some are more elite than others but there are about 40. BC is in there -- BU is not. Not the same kids/same results.


If I can't use rely on the rankings then how would I know that Vanderbilt is prestigious, elite or top elite. I have been told my entire life that Ivies are prestigious, that MIT and Stanford are prestigious and that UCLA, Cal and Michigan are prestigious. I have never heard much about Vanderbilt except for them being a perennial SEC football doormat.


Michigan is not prestigious. It's a humongous state school with a so-so football team.


Lol the poster whose kid got rejected from Michigan is back. The football team just won the *national championship* and kids on the east coast routinely pick Michigan over and among other top 20 schools, but whatever.

Michigan is below Georgetown and Emory in prestige.
It's
1.HYPSM
2.Columbia, Duke, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
3.Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins
4.Vandy, Rice, Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
5. Umich, UCLA, CMU, USC, UCLA, UNC







More like...
1.HYPSM
2a.Columbia, Upenn, Caltech, UChicago
2b. Duke, Brown, Johns Hopkins
3a.Dartmouth, Northwestern
3b. Cornell, Vandy, Rice
4a. Notre Dame, Emory, Washu, UCB, Georgetown
4b. Umich, UCLA, CMU, UCLA
5. UNC, USC


The issue with the "prestige" question is that it often hinges on name recognition. Schools like Rice, Washington University, Emory, Vanderbilt, and CMU, while excellent, aren't as widely recognized, so they may not immediately impress people as prestigious due to limited public awareness. In contrast, Ivy League schools have established brands that inherently carry prestige, even for institutions like Brown. Additionally, many on the East Coast may not fully appreciate how highly regarded California public universities are. Is Rice or Emory truly more prestigious than Cal, UCLA, or UCSD? Some of these schools gain perceived prestige within certain communities, like the DCUM echo chamber, because they become the fallback options when students don’t get into an Ivy. Parents then feel compelled to highlight the strengths of the school their child ultimately attends.