Anonymous
Post 07/23/2024 07:07     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
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Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of all the extra events for the fast kids. A and b meets are enough.


Says someone who has never had a kid work so hard in the summer to get a spot at Divisonals or All Stars...


Lots of kids work really hard every summer and don't even get to swim A meets.

The vast majority of kids at these special events are year round swimmers.


+1. NVSL has these two random pseudo-elite meets that take lots of time, coordination and effort but really are for such a small percentage of the kids. The posters talking about renting out the St James are nuts. No way would pools agree to increase their NVSL dues by such a huge amount to rent out a facility. We're at a pool that usually sends maybe 3 relays or so. A dozen kids or so.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2024 07:02     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:What about McLean? McLean HS is right next to the pool


There are ways to do it. For all those in the upper division pools complaining that they cannot run a meet.

I think volunteers should always be keyed to the number of swimmers entered and done in proportion. The host pool should not have to put up a ton of volunteers. Most of your swimmers are from D1 pools then they should be running concessions, working as timers, etc. for the host pool.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2024 02:13     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
What about McLean? McLean HS is right next to the pool
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2024 16:07     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
D1 Chesterbrook has an elementary school across the street and a church next door where tents could possibly go. But the issue is there is nowhere for spectators to park. Everyone who complained about walking 1/2 mile at Rutherford would easily double or triple that distance at Chesterbrook. I’m in favor of charging admission or assigning more volunteer slots to the teams with the most swimmers at special events. My pool sends a lot of swimmers and we would love to help out with our time if needed.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2024 20:59     Subject: Re:ASR at Rutherford
Parent at a D1 pool here…of all the pools in DI simply do not have the land needed for all those tents. Maybe Tuckahoe or Overlee could if you put tents in their parking lots but there would be zero parking for any meet volunteers and spectator viewing at either pool is not great on a Saturday morning….

The other pools simply do not have the space….

Highlands and Donaldson Run have both helped host pools run concessions (and taken zero of the profits) as a way to contribute at Individual All Stars since their home pools are not suitable to host a huge event.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 19:49     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
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Anonymous wrote:Have ASR at the St. James.

If each relay was unique your are talking a total of 880 kids, but most relays are not unique with most relays have kids overlap for a good number of relay teams. Smaller pools might send one team to one event and that would drive the numbers up a bit.

So maybe 500 kids or so. That is doable at the St. James. They can still tent outside and there is parking.


This^. The LC meet recently held there had teams/swimmers sitting outside in the grass with fold chairs.


You can’t set NVSL SCM records in a SCY pool.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 18:00     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of all the extra events for the fast kids. A and b meets are enough.


Says someone who has never had a kid work so hard in the summer to get a spot at Divisonals or All Stars...


Lots of kids work really hard every summer and don't even get to swim A meets.

The vast majority of kids at these specual events are year round swimmers.


This. But somehow these swimmers need a bunch of volunteers and a community pool to put on special meets for free.

Charge for these meets and be done with it.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 15:17     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of all the extra events for the fast kids. A and b meets are enough.


Says someone who has never had a kid work so hard in the summer to get a spot at Divisonals or All Stars...


Lots of kids work really hard every summer and don't even get to swim A meets.

The vast majority of kids at these specual events are year round swimmers.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 15:15     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of all the extra events for the fast kids. A and b meets are enough.


Says someone who has never had a kid work so hard in the summer to get a spot at Divisonals or All Stars...


individual all stars I get. Kids have to work hard for that.

All star relays- you are just rewarding teams with depth. Kids can work as hard as they want, but if they don't have the luck of being on a team with depth/3 other kids on their team who are relatively fast they will never make ASR. The entire meet is a pissing contest for the top 3 teams.

I do like the IAS is not a team competition so there is none of the Div1 crap to deal with.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 15:10     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
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NVSL has zero power, they do are volunteers. They can't say Pool X you must host a meet. Pool X says my BOD won't allow it. So what does NVSL do? Seriously.

This is the game that the D1 pools pull. They could push their BOD - seriously, they have the status and it is the same people running all the things. But they don't want to be bothered.

I bet they could do a kick ass job too, but we will never know.


If no one is willing to host (and pool should be safe and make sense - like evening lighting and no green taped lines), then NVSL either moves event to a rented facility (eg George Mason/St James) and charge a fee to cover costs or cancels the event and awards all stars based on seed times. Maybe someone steps up the next year?

I appreciate Rutherford and Pinecrest stepping up truly. Rutherford did an outstanding job. However NVSL shouldn’t be ignoring safety issues with facilities because they are the only ones who were willing to host. NVSL is volunteers and again appreciate their efforts, but they can’t ignore safety issues.


Which is your pool?

Agree if no one is willing to host, the NVSL volunteers who run the league and put up with all the nonsense from parents and pools unwilling to do their share should cancel. That would focus minds for the following year.



Is this the flex you think it is? 17,000 kids in NVSL and how many are at all stars or all star relays? Most people do not give a crap. Cancel away.


Agree it's really 2 meets we're talking about that are a major issue and even most kids at D1 pools are not swimming at these meets. This whole unwilling to do their share drumbeat is a useless tangent. Some of these pools are not able to host these meets safely or effectively. It's definitely notable those pools also happen to have a lot of kids who participate. We get it. Focus on practical solutions instead of continuing to insist they be forced to host these meets, which again...dumb...not happening. If the practical solution is not to have the meets, don't have them.



Exactly. If pools that the league determines to be appropriate places to host, won’t host, then cancel. Most people won’t care so why should the league volunteers do all the work of getting a pool to host and then putting in all the extra time to run those meets?

Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 14:54     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of all the extra events for the fast kids. A and b meets are enough.


Says someone who has never had a kid work so hard in the summer to get a spot at Divisonals or All Stars...
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 14:39     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Just get rid of all the extra events for the fast kids. A and b meets are enough.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 13:59     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Have ASR at the St. James.

If each relay was unique your are talking a total of 880 kids, but most relays are not unique with most relays have kids overlap for a good number of relay teams. Smaller pools might send one team to one event and that would drive the numbers up a bit.

So maybe 500 kids or so. That is doable at the St. James. They can still tent outside and there is parking.


This^. The LC meet recently held there had teams/swimmers sitting outside in the grass with fold chairs.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 13:35     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
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Anonymous wrote:100% agree with this! The lack of cell service was dangerous and not knowing about it meant we couldn’t plan accordingly. Also, we only heard about the lane issue after overhearing another team’s coach mention it. This should be noted on the documents page on the NVSL website.

“At familiarization - warn about lack of cell signal and the outside lane issue. That way the kids can practice in anticipation of the lanes.”


I understand that it was inconvenient not to have great cell service...but dangerous. Come on!


DP, but it wasn’t ideal when there was lightning and teams were scrambling to pack up in a very crowded area. We had a couple younger swimmers unaccounted for and had no way to reach parents to confirm they’d left with adults. We had to walk far and then drive to reach parents to confirm. Maybe “dangerous” is dramatic, but lack of communication in that storm setting was stressful.


We lost a young swimmer too when we clearly heard thunder and she went towards her car thinking the meet would stop. No one could find her and her phone wasn’t working so even when the coach ran out to the street to get a signal, it didn’t help. Also, several of us had children at home with no way to contact them/them to contact us in case of an emergency. Something we weren’t expecting but could have planned for if we had known there would be no cell service.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 12:52     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Have ASR at the St. James.

If each relay was unique your are talking a total of 880 kids, but most relays are not unique with most relays have kids overlap for a good number of relay teams. Smaller pools might send one team to one event and that would drive the numbers up a bit.

So maybe 500 kids or so. That is doable at the St. James. They can still tent outside and there is parking.