Anonymous wrote:A coalition of Harris for President and Adam Kinzinger as VP. He brings in moderate GOPers, Never Trumpers, and sane Republican. It will hopefully begin to bring bipartisan government back and kill the MAGA insanity.

This will never happen but it would be amazing. I wish they could pluck Larry Hogan out of the Maryland Senate race for something like this.

A coalition of Harris for President and Adam Kinzinger as VP. He brings in moderate GOPers, Never Trumpers, and sane Republican. It will hopefully begin to bring bipartisan government back and kill the MAGA insanity.

OPEN CONVENTION. Kamala and all the senators and governors can compete for delegates. It will generate huge interest and a big boost for whomever comes out on top.

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Anonymous wrote:Changing candidates from.Biden to someone else is a guaranteed loss for Democrats.

Learn from republicans folks, double down on everything.

Democrat here and one who believed Biden was fine. Last Thursday was not a one off. He needs to be a hero and pass the baton to Harris.

I posted upthread (I think it was this thread anyway) that I have resigned myself to Biden dropping out but name me one race in which the replacement wins the election.

- still remember the outcome of Mondale vs Coleman after Wellstone died

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why earlier in the Spring Biden didn't issue a statement about his age, saying nobody should seek reelection over a certain age, time to retire and enjoy the grandkids. That would have left Trump looking like selfish old shit as the old one in the race, and made way for a new candidate to get excited about without the humiliation for Biden of being forced out.

You guys still don't understand that the age thing is specific to Biden - Trump doesn't present as old and saying that he's only 3 years younger than Biden or whatever isn't helping you.

DP. hate to agree with this, but it's true. It was extremely apparent at the debate last week. Trump clearly has some issues, but the delta to his previous incoherent self is smaller.

"had some issues"

Like every time he opened his mouth, he told a lie? Ya, those are some issues. He is detached from reality, and yet no one is telling the GOP to change its candidate and the corporate media sure aren't banging the drum about it. Why the double standard?

Yes - it's absolutely astounding that we aren't seeing the same outcry for Trump to drop out of the race given that absolutely outrageous stream of nonstop lies and distortions. It was undeniably a complete gish gallop of provable bullshit. I've had ENOUGH of this "yabut we expect better of Biden" crap. EXPECT BETTER OF REPUBLICANS!!!!

Stop yelling at people. Many of us agree with your basic premise but you keep yelling at us. No one likes it.

And yes, more should be demanded of the GOP but they own the media and have rigged multiple systems to insulate themselves from their losses. So we can only take care of our own party (and even within that it’s not like we have a lot of control).

No. As long as I keep seeing a lack of better expectations from the GOP I'm going to damn well keep yelling. Getting people annoyed is the point. We can't stop until there's an actual change that happens. I, and my yelling, are not the problem here. The problem is with the political officials, the media, and so on. We damn well should be yelling at them, shaming them, exposing them, going after them with legal means when they have committed crimes, doing it every waking minute of every single day. They are the ones who need to be held accountable, not me.

You are getting nowhere with this though. Republicans actually should do better, but Trump has a core base that supports him so fervently that they have made everyone else in that party just fall in line. There is no option at this point for the Republicans to pick someone else to run. The Democrats have an opportunity to change course, and people in the party and independents are supportive of it, so why wouldn’t they?! I’m not enamored with Kamala Harris, but I have an open mind, and I sure as hell will vote for her over Trump 10 times out of 10. I can’t say that I would vote for Biden, I’d probably just not vote or write someone else in. A change in candidates will win over some swing voters.

KJP is proving , once again, to be mentally handicapped

Anonymous wrote:Changing candidates from.Biden to someone else is a guaranteed loss for Democrats.

Learn from republicans folks, double down on everything.

Democrat here and one who believed Biden was fine. Last Thursday was not a one off. He needs to be a hero and pass the baton to Harris.

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Anonymous wrote:They'd have to push Harris out. She isn't popular with anyone

If it isn't Harris then there is no point in having an ejection because the Black vote will stay home. Think idiot, think!

She was popular enough to win major campaigns in CA and she will be popular enough to beat Trump because a lot of women have been waiting a long time for one of their own gender to break that bloody glass political ceiling and we know that once it's broken, we are no longer 2nd class citizens.

How special it will be for a woman to beat Trump!

Trump supporters are dying to have Harris as the nominee. Only Dem worse than Biden. Careful what you wish for.

Anonymous wrote:They'd have to push Harris out. She isn't popular with anyone

If it isn't Harris then there is no point in having an ejection because the Black vote will stay home. Think idiot, think!

She was popular enough to win major campaigns in CA and she will be popular enough to beat Trump because a lot of women have been waiting a long time for one of their own gender to break that bloody glass political ceiling and we know that once it's broken, we are no longer 2nd class citizens.

How special it will be for a woman to beat Trump!

Anonymous wrote:Watching this meltdown is glorious!

Agree. We are watching the next president being decided in real time. Glad to see him/her. Finally!

Watching this meltdown is glorious!

Changing candidates from.Biden to someone else is a guaranteed loss for Democrats.

Learn from republicans folks, double down on everything.

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Not too long ago it was suggested Biden dump Harris as she was a drag on his re-election due to her being polar and having horrible approval ratings. Now you see her as a strong candidate? Laughable.🙄

From the article "I care about, listen, I care about what’s happening at the border,” Harris responded. “I’m in Guatemala because my focus is dealing with the root causes of migration. There may be some who think that that is not important, but it is my firm belief that if we care about what’s happening at the border, we better care about the root causes and address them. And so that’s what I’m doing.”"

I totally agree with this position and now like her even more. Harris 2024 would be fantastic!!!

She was assigned by Biden to fix the border in March 2021. It is now worse than it was before.

https://apnews.com/general-news-3400f56255e000547d1ca3ce1aa6b8e9

The GOP shut down the immigration bill so you could type this out. Truly, they killed the best chance, and pretty much all their asks, to address the border so that the border would remain a problem. That’s not a Biden/Harris problem, that’s a GOP problem.

Exactly! GOP (Trump) would rather blame, than fix it!

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Not too long ago it was suggested Biden dump Harris as she was a drag on his re-election due to her being polar and having horrible approval ratings. Now you see her as a strong candidate? Laughable.🙄

From the article "I care about, listen, I care about what’s happening at the border,” Harris responded. “I’m in Guatemala because my focus is dealing with the root causes of migration. There may be some who think that that is not important, but it is my firm belief that if we care about what’s happening at the border, we better care about the root causes and address them. And so that’s what I’m doing.”"

I totally agree with this position and now like her even more. Harris 2024 would be fantastic!!!

She was assigned by Biden to fix the border in March 2021. It is now worse than it was before.

https://apnews.com/general-news-3400f56255e000547d1ca3ce1aa6b8e9

The GOP shut down the immigration bill so you could type this out. Truly, they killed the best chance, and pretty much all their asks, to address the border so that the border would remain a problem. That’s not a Biden/Harris problem, that’s a GOP problem.

Biden will be the nominee. People aren’t voting for Biden, but rather the entire Democratic establishment, and they know this.

Biden will be the nominee, they’ll spend the next few months tuning up the propaganda 100x, and focus their efforts on fear-mongering conservatives bringing about the end of the world.

They’ll make sure the focus is less on electing Biden; and more on preventing republicans from gaining power, and ensuring democracy prevails through Democrats and their leadership.

Kamala is a guaranteed loss, but Biden isn’t, so long as they have their propaganda apparatus intact. Plus, Biden’s a puppet with no free will to do anything, he’s old and they can put all the blame on him for all their destructive policies.

Final bet: Biden nominee