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Anonymous wrote:I was disappointed to read this article from Ivy Coach that says that if your child is not going to be a recruited athlete, your child should not include their sports on the common app. I see the argument that it's not going to help my DC to stand out from the application pool and therefore, DC needs to focus on other ECs, but to say that an activity that takes up over 15 hours a week of DC's time each week (my DC plays on two school varsity teams, but isn't good enough to be a recruited athlete) seems like bad advice to me. I've heard this from other college counselors too, but I am not going to have DC quit sports - exercise is good for physical health and mental health and has enabled my otherwise quiet DC to become friends with lots of terrific kids from DC's school.

https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/college-admissions/playing-sports-college-applications/

Does anyone here think that DC should actually leave two varsity sports teams off DC's college application? I have otherwise appreciated Ivy Coach's articles but now I'm really questioning their judgment and thinking it's bad advice.

Abject, unmitigated idiocy. Participation in HS athletics is often the great differentiator for the exceptionally high-achieving students, and not just at the recruited athlete level. Think of the time commitment, resolve, and grit that are necessary in individual and especially team sports - we're seriously going to pretend that membership or participation in the NHS, the Key Club, SADD and a random Rubik's cube competition are the signals that AOs are looking for ... ?

Student A: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 12 - 15 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays, plus they are a four-year varsity athlete who served as captain senior year and won a state title.

Student B: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 16 - 20 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays.

Student A absolutely trounces Student B in the eyes of AOs ... arguing otherwise is just absurd at this point.

The flaw in the above is that there is only room for 10 ECs to be listed. The article argues that basically ALL if them should tell the same story. If you have room to list a sport you should list it, but if you have room to list a sport you may be in trouble anyways when admissions offices want spiky applicants.

I've been an ivy interviewer for a few years. I've seen hordes of well rounded students bite the dust, and only one *extremely* spiky student get accepted.

The article is extreme, maybe too much, but so is this admissions climate.

Regarding the space available, the common app provides room for up to ten ECs and five awards, as I recall. UC app provides 20 spaces for both, combined.

The way my son dealt with these limitations is by consolidating his HS team, regional and national club teams, and USA baseball appointment to one EC slot. He also consolidated awards similarly. It required a little extra work, but it allowed him to demonstrate significant time commitments in both research and athletics that aligned with his intended major and that complemented his overall academic profile.

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Anonymous wrote:Being engaged, being known around high school -for something- has importance. Our HS guidance/teachers would be swayed to write a much better college recommendation.

This is true at our HS….sadly the super-involved kids (non-sport ECs) get the crazy good recs.

Anonymous wrote:Being engaged, being known around high school -for something- has importance. Our HS guidance/teachers would be swayed to write a much better college recommendation.

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Anonymous wrote:The better thing is to have your kid volunteer teaching their sport to xyz under resourced group and form a summer clinic /camp/business for their sport where they show initiative and other skills.

The sports stuff is sadly a dime a dozen. Make your kid stand out.

This is not the point of doing a sport.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was disappointed to read this article from Ivy Coach that says that if your child is not going to be a recruited athlete, your child should not include their sports on the common app. I see the argument that it's not going to help my DC to stand out from the application pool and therefore, DC needs to focus on other ECs, but to say that an activity that takes up over 15 hours a week of DC's time each week (my DC plays on two school varsity teams, but isn't good enough to be a recruited athlete) seems like bad advice to me. I've heard this from other college counselors too, but I am not going to have DC quit sports - exercise is good for physical health and mental health and has enabled my otherwise quiet DC to become friends with lots of terrific kids from DC's school.

https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/college-admissions/playing-sports-college-applications/

Does anyone here think that DC should actually leave two varsity sports teams off DC's college application? I have otherwise appreciated Ivy Coach's articles but now I'm really questioning their judgment and thinking it's bad advice.

Abject, unmitigated idiocy. Participation in HS athletics is often the great differentiator for the exceptionally high-achieving students, and not just at the recruited athlete level. Think of the time commitment, resolve, and grit that are necessary in individual and especially team sports - we're seriously going to pretend that membership or participation in the NHS, the Key Club, SADD and a random Rubik's cube competition are the signals that AOs are looking for ... ?

Student A: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 12 - 15 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays, plus they are a four-year varsity athlete who served as captain senior year and won a state title.

Student B: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 16 - 20 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays.

Student A absolutely trounces Student B in the eyes of AOs ... arguing otherwise is just absurd at this point.

The flaw in the above is that there is only room for 10 ECs to be listed. The article argues that basically ALL if them should tell the same story. If you have room to list a sport you should list it, but if you have room to list a sport you may be in trouble anyways when admissions offices want spiky applicants.

I've been an ivy interviewer for a few years. I've seen hordes of well rounded students bite the dust, and only one *extremely* spiky student get accepted.

The article is extreme, maybe too much, but so is this admissions climate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was disappointed to read this article from Ivy Coach that says that if your child is not going to be a recruited athlete, your child should not include their sports on the common app. I see the argument that it's not going to help my DC to stand out from the application pool and therefore, DC needs to focus on other ECs, but to say that an activity that takes up over 15 hours a week of DC's time each week (my DC plays on two school varsity teams, but isn't good enough to be a recruited athlete) seems like bad advice to me. I've heard this from other college counselors too, but I am not going to have DC quit sports - exercise is good for physical health and mental health and has enabled my otherwise quiet DC to become friends with lots of terrific kids from DC's school.

https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/college-admissions/playing-sports-college-applications/

Does anyone here think that DC should actually leave two varsity sports teams off DC's college application? I have otherwise appreciated Ivy Coach's articles but now I'm really questioning their judgment and thinking it's bad advice.

Abject, unmitigated idiocy. Participation in HS athletics is often the great differentiator for the exceptionally high-achieving students, and not just at the recruited athlete level. Think of the time commitment, resolve, and grit that are necessary in individual and especially team sports - we're seriously going to pretend that membership or participation in the NHS, the Key Club, SADD and a random Rubik's cube competition are the signals that AOs are looking for ... ?

Student A: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 12 - 15 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays, plus they are a four-year varsity athlete who served as captain senior year and won a state title.

Student B: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 16 - 20 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays.

Student A absolutely trounces Student B in the eyes of AOs ... arguing otherwise is just absurd at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:This has nothing do with the colleges, and everything to do with the consultants. Ivy Coach's entire business premise is that the pointiest kids will win the prize. And they are ever willing to sharpen your kid right up... for a fee.

No doubt, being pointy is one of several different strategies, all of which have a grain of truth/success to them. But they have staked their financial existence on, "This is the way, the one true way," and done so transparently (10 minutes on their website will confirm this).

So take it with a grain of salt. Everybody is selling what they are selling. If this strategy is the right one for your student, go with it. Hard.

But if it isn't, you don't have the wrong kid. You have the wrong strategy.

Pointy is passé. They don’t value that as much anymore. Well-rounded seemed to be valued last round.

Would be nice if true, but I’ve seen no evidence of this. If you have any to back this up, please share it.

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Anonymous wrote:This has nothing do with the colleges, and everything to do with the consultants. Ivy Coach's entire business premise is that the pointiest kids will win the prize. And they are ever willing to sharpen your kid right up... for a fee.

No doubt, being pointy is one of several different strategies, all of which have a grain of truth/success to them. But they have staked their financial existence on, "This is the way, the one true way," and done so transparently (10 minutes on their website will confirm this).

So take it with a grain of salt. Everybody is selling what they are selling. If this strategy is the right one for your student, go with it. Hard.

But if it isn't, you don't have the wrong kid. You have the wrong strategy.

Pointy is passé. They don’t value that as much anymore. Well-rounded seemed to be valued last round.