Anonymous
06/06/2024 13:56
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:When I worked for a global org it was super common to accommodate our offices in Asia. So glad to be out of that.
Again we are not global meetings. These are all people on the East coast.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 12:57
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
When I worked for a global org it was super common to accommodate our offices in Asia. So glad to be out of that.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 11:58
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A middle schooler can be dropped off somewhere in walking distance, and get themselves to school. No need to pay for before care.
Where did I say I had a middle schooler? It’s a kinder!
So, you want the company to pay for you to "work" but you will be fixing breakfast and getting your 5 year old on a bus?
Yeah, you'd be so fired if you work for me.
I’m salaried. I don’t work hourly. My core hours are 10-3.
You are a peach.
If it's established that you work 10-3, can't you just decline an 8 AM? I work with lots of flexible work arrangement salaried folks who list their hours in their signatures, and they've negotiated that limited schedule. That is, they've told the company they're only going to work X hours, and took the requisite pay cut to account for that. Plenty of companies are perfectly willing to accommodate limited schedules as long as the understanding is clear so your pay is appropriate to the number of hours you actually plan to work. On the other hand, if you haven't negotiated that, it is not out of bounds for the company to expect you to be available when they say.
Are you not familiar with core hours? I don’t just work 10-3, but those are the required hours; we can work our hours around that. I’m sure I can squall about 8am not working but wanted to know if I was unreasonable
Anonymous
06/06/2024 09:55
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Common where I work. The day starts at 8.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 09:53
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
This is standard.
Anonymous wrote:We have probably 6-8 8am meetings per month, which throws our life in chaos because it’s right in middle school drop off.
My spouse wants to spend $300 a month for morning SACC.
Is this typical of corporate workplaces. I’ve only had one job. Most of my colleagues have SAHM and get to work early anyways.
My neighbor is in sales and seems to always start around 10, maybe I should switch fields.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 09:36
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A middle schooler can be dropped off somewhere in walking distance, and get themselves to school. No need to pay for before care.
Where did I say I had a middle schooler? It’s a kinder!
So, you want the company to pay for you to "work" but you will be fixing breakfast and getting your 5 year old on a bus?
Yeah, you'd be so fired if you work for me.
I’m salaried. I don’t work hourly. My core hours are 10-3.
You are a peach.
If it's established that you work 10-3, can't you just decline an 8 AM? I work with lots of flexible work arrangement salaried folks who list their hours in their signatures, and they've negotiated that limited schedule. That is, they've told the company they're only going to work X hours, and took the requisite pay cut to account for that. Plenty of companies are perfectly willing to accommodate limited schedules as long as the understanding is clear so your pay is appropriate to the number of hours you actually plan to work. On the other hand, if you haven't negotiated that, it is not out of bounds for the company to expect you to be available when they say.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 09:30
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A middle schooler can be dropped off somewhere in walking distance, and get themselves to school. No need to pay for before care.
Where did I say I had a middle schooler? It’s a kinder!
So, you want the company to pay for you to "work" but you will be fixing breakfast and getting your 5 year old on a bus?
Yeah, you'd be so fired if you work for me.
I’m salaried. I don’t work hourly. My core hours are 10-3.
You are a peach.
While I agree with you OP most higher ups and supervisors view salaried as minimum 40 hours with no max number of hours but you have to use leave for anything outside of expected hours, which is dumb because thats how hourly is set up, but I digress.
Ex. they expect you to stay and work through evenings on their whims but you cant come in at 10 after a doctors appointment and work late without using leave from X-10.
Corporations have been manipulating exempt workers and the regulations around them for decades now.
Also the rules surrounding this are:
"To qualify for most white-collar exemptions, employees must earn at least $684 per week or $35,568 per year. Employees who earn at least $107,432 per year are also exempt, regardless of their job duties, unless they perform manual labor or are covered by a collective bargaining agreement.
So most DCUM is exempt because of the HCOL and wages which is why you see such awful labor practices in this area.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 09:17
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A middle schooler can be dropped off somewhere in walking distance, and get themselves to school. No need to pay for before care.
Where did I say I had a middle schooler? It’s a kinder!
So, you want the company to pay for you to "work" but you will be fixing breakfast and getting your 5 year old on a bus?
Yeah, you'd be so fired if you work for me.
I’m salaried. I don’t work hourly. My core hours are 10-3.
You are a peach.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 08:58
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A middle schooler can be dropped off somewhere in walking distance, and get themselves to school. No need to pay for before care.
Where did I say I had a middle schooler? It’s a kinder!
So, you want the company to pay for you to "work" but you will be fixing breakfast and getting your 5 year old on a bus?
Yeah, you'd be so fired if you work for me.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 08:51
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Old people do this because they are in bed by 9 and up at 5.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 08:49
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I used to work with the DoD. 8 am meetings were normal, and you were expected to show up before 8 am (or call in a few min early) for them to do roll call and start the meeting promptly at 8.
Now in non-profit sector and anything before 9 would be unusual, but conferences and breakfast meetings all start at 8 or 8:30.
Pay for childcare, mostly schools do drop-in care, you don’t need to pay for the whole month to just use a few days.
I really think those of you who dont have younger kids in the system right now or who have copious amounts of money to throw at the problem do not realize the issues with childcare, including before care and after care. There are not a lot of options, many of them are booked before the school year starts so K students get f^cked because you cant enroll in aftercare until you are on the school registrar and that doesnt happen until summer but the before/after care situation gets handled in spring. And many private businesses that provides these services dont allow for daily drop-in, they require weekly payment no matter how many days you use in the week.
Childcare post-COVID is a completely different landscape. I had a child in 2018 and had no issues finding spots. Cost was steep but do-able. I am pregnant with our 2nd due in 2024 and it is a madhouse. Childcare costs have increased minimum 600/mo for the same age. Spots, especially infant spots, are difficult to find. 2-5 seems to be the sweet spot for options and costs. Infant care and elementary-age care are difficult.
I am totally fine with an 8am meeting but dont then turn around and make regular 4/430pm meetings either. You cant burn at both ends and while this board skews higher-income many of your co-workers in other positions are not. If you have later meetings, dont have early ones and vice versa.
well said, all of this.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 08:43
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:I used to work with the DoD. 8 am meetings were normal, and you were expected to show up before 8 am (or call in a few min early) for them to do roll call and start the meeting promptly at 8.
Now in non-profit sector and anything before 9 would be unusual, but conferences and breakfast meetings all start at 8 or 8:30.
Pay for childcare, mostly schools do drop-in care, you don’t need to pay for the whole month to just use a few days.
I really think those of you who dont have younger kids in the system right now or who have copious amounts of money to throw at the problem do not realize the issues with childcare, including before care and after care. There are not a lot of options, many of them are booked before the school year starts so K students get f^cked because you cant enroll in aftercare until you are on the school registrar and that doesnt happen until summer but the before/after care situation gets handled in spring. And many private businesses that provides these services dont allow for daily drop-in, they require weekly payment no matter how many days you use in the week.
Childcare post-COVID is a completely different landscape. I had a child in 2018 and had no issues finding spots. Cost was steep but do-able. I am pregnant with our 2nd due in 2024 and it is a madhouse. Childcare costs have increased minimum 600/mo for the same age. Spots, especially infant spots, are difficult to find. 2-5 seems to be the sweet spot for options and costs. Infant care and elementary-age care are difficult.
I am totally fine with an 8am meeting but dont then turn around and make regular 4/430pm meetings either. You cant burn at both ends and while this board skews higher-income many of your co-workers in other positions are not. If you have later meetings, dont have early ones and vice versa.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 08:23
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
We have meetings at 7 or 8 AM a couple of times a week but work in construction so that's just part of the deal. We definitely miss out on some hires because the logistics (early mornings, going to sites) don't work for a lot of people.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 07:22
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
We have them occasionally, usually when we’re including someone over scheduled who has no room on their calendar otherwise. But usually only a few times a year if that.
Anonymous
06/06/2024 06:46
Subject: Meetings at 8am — how common
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At my job, most meetings are scheduled between 9 and 5, but they occasionally start at 8 or run until 6. The higher you are in the org, the more you are expected to be available for 10+ hours every day. My boss (C suite) routinely is in the office - in-person - from 7:30 to 6:30.
My day is usually jam packed with meetings. The early and late slots are the last to fill up, but when there's no time available between 9-5, the early or late meetings pile on.
At your level you are making $500k and can hire a live in nanny who stays in your 7 bedroom house.
Sure, 8am is no hardship for your position
Oh and I noticed it’s harder to find a reliable nanny in DMV. ESP after school ones for the working parents.