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Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, here we go again. The resources aren't nearly the same as available as the top leagues.

EPL earns about 6.7 Billion, UK pop 67 mil or $100pp
Bundesliga and 3.4 Billion, Germ pop 84 mil or $40pp
La Liga about 3.4 Billion, Spain pop 48 mil or $71pp
Seria A about 2.5 Billion Italy pop 59 mil or $42pp
Ligue 1 about 2 Billion France pop 68 mil or $19pp
MLS about 1.8 Billion USA pop 333 mil or $5pp
Brazil about 1.7billion Brazil pop 215 mil or $7pp

I couldn't find good data on Argentina, and these are just the TOP leagues in each countries, not all the soccer money generated. Not saying we can't do better, but there is a reason we have pay-to-pay and it's not due to lack of trying to get money from sponsors or elsewhere. Hell even the Brazil comparison here is misleading when you compare costs there to here, but I included it to show how relatively poor we are to everyone when it comes to soccer.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. England is far and away the highest in terms of your metric, but are behind every other country on the list (save for the US) in terms of development of homegrown players.

Can you explain exactly what you mean by England being behind everyone in homegrown talent development?

That having the best league in the world hasn’t really helped their national team all that much.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, here we go again. The resources aren't nearly the same as available as the top leagues.

EPL earns about 6.7 Billion, UK pop 67 mil or $100pp
Bundesliga and 3.4 Billion, Germ pop 84 mil or $40pp
La Liga about 3.4 Billion, Spain pop 48 mil or $71pp
Seria A about 2.5 Billion Italy pop 59 mil or $42pp
Ligue 1 about 2 Billion France pop 68 mil or $19pp
MLS about 1.8 Billion USA pop 333 mil or $5pp
Brazil about 1.7billion Brazil pop 215 mil or $7pp

I couldn't find good data on Argentina, and these are just the TOP leagues in each countries, not all the soccer money generated. Not saying we can't do better, but there is a reason we have pay-to-pay and it's not due to lack of trying to get money from sponsors or elsewhere. Hell even the Brazil comparison here is misleading when you compare costs there to here, but I included it to show how relatively poor we are to everyone when it comes to soccer.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. England is far and away the highest in terms of your metric, but are behind every other country on the list (save for the US) in terms of development of homegrown players.

Can you explain exactly what you mean by England being behind everyone in homegrown talent development?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, here we go again. The resources aren't nearly the same as available as the top leagues.

EPL earns about 6.7 Billion, UK pop 67 mil or $100pp
Bundesliga and 3.4 Billion, Germ pop 84 mil or $40pp
La Liga about 3.4 Billion, Spain pop 48 mil or $71pp
Seria A about 2.5 Billion Italy pop 59 mil or $42pp
Ligue 1 about 2 Billion France pop 68 mil or $19pp
MLS about 1.8 Billion USA pop 333 mil or $5pp
Brazil about 1.7billion Brazil pop 215 mil or $7pp

I couldn't find good data on Argentina, and these are just the TOP leagues in each countries, not all the soccer money generated. Not saying we can't do better, but there is a reason we have pay-to-pay and it's not due to lack of trying to get money from sponsors or elsewhere. Hell even the Brazil comparison here is misleading when you compare costs there to here, but I included it to show how relatively poor we are to everyone when it comes to soccer.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. England is far and away the highest in terms of your metric, but are behind every other country on the list (save for the US) in terms of development of homegrown players.

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, here we go again. The resources aren't nearly the same as available as the top leagues.

EPL earns about 6.7 Billion, UK pop 67 mil or $100pp
Bundesliga and 3.4 Billion, Germ pop 84 mil or $40pp
La Liga about 3.4 Billion, Spain pop 48 mil or $71pp
Seria A about 2.5 Billion Italy pop 59 mil or $42pp
Ligue 1 about 2 Billion France pop 68 mil or $19pp
MLS about 1.8 Billion USA pop 333 mil or $5pp
Brazil about 1.7billion Brazil pop 215 mil or $7pp

I couldn't find good data on Argentina, and these are just the TOP leagues in each countries, not all the soccer money generated. Not saying we can't do better, but there is a reason we have pay-to-pay and it's not due to lack of trying to get money from sponsors or elsewhere. Hell even the Brazil comparison here is misleading when you compare costs there to here, but I included it to show how relatively poor we are to everyone when it comes to soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:As long as athletes can make more professionally playing football and basketball than soccer, it will always be this way in the US.

Last time I checked, there are many professional soccer players earning a lot of money

Not in a US league and not US born players.

Words have meaning

So who are these American born American Players in the Premiere League and other First Division leagues in Europe?

Pulisic, Reyna, McKennie, Adams just to name a few. Far, far more.

Pulisic, our best soccer player right now in the prime of his sports playing career makes $9M a year...let that sink in compared to other sport salaries. Anthony Edwards makes $40M a year in a league with a salary cap - that's almost as much as Pulisic's entire current contract and Anthony Edwards probably isn't even the best player in the NBA. Same for the NFL where the best players (not the #1 best in the nation) make $30M/$40M a year w/a salary cap. Baseball and soccer are probably the two most comporable and $9M in baseball is peanuts and guys riding the bench are making that amount - again the best baseball players are making far more.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/05/23/nbc-premier-league-viewership-best-in-united-states

"Games across NBC and USA Network (also with Peacock streaming) averaged 546,000 viewers this past season, which passes the previous mark of 541,000 set during the 2015-16 season. This season also is up 4% from last year"

That's a small number and it's people in the US watching soccer from Europe. MLS soccer is only 300,000.

For comparison, NFL games average near 18M per game.

This only proves the point that soccer in this country is not very popular. 500,000 is about on par with NHL hockey. NASCAR gets 3.5M viewers so car racing is 5 times more popular than soccer in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As long as athletes can make more professionally playing football and basketball than soccer, it will always be this way in the US.

Last time I checked, there are many professional soccer players earning a lot of money

Not in a US league and not US born players.

Words have meaning

So who are these American born American Players in the Premiere League and other First Division leagues in Europe?

Pulisic, Reyna, McKennie, Adams just to name a few. Far, far more.

These are the best US players, are they making the most in their respective league? Are they best players in their respective leagues? No and No, so the US still has a long way to go when our best players are role players in international leagues.

Yes they're making millions of dollars and that's a lot of money, but 1 all-star/pro bowl caliber NBA, NFL or MLB player will make more in 1 contract then these players will make in their entire career.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As long as athletes can make more professionally playing football and basketball than soccer, it will always be this way in the US.

Last time I checked, there are many professional soccer players earning a lot of money

Not in a US league and not US born players.

Words have meaning

So who are these American born American Players in the Premiere League and other First Division leagues in Europe?

Pulisic, Reyna, McKennie, Adams just to name a few. Far, far more.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As long as athletes can make more professionally playing football and basketball than soccer, it will always be this way in the US.

Last time I checked, there are many professional soccer players earning a lot of money

Not in a US league and not US born players.

Words have meaning

So who are these American born American Players in the Premiere League and other First Division leagues in Europe?

Pulisic, Reyna, McKennie, Adams just to name a few. Far, far more.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/05/23/nbc-premier-league-viewership-best-in-united-states

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As long as athletes can make more professionally playing football and basketball than soccer, it will always be this way in the US.

Last time I checked, there are many professional soccer players earning a lot of money

Not in a US league and not US born players.

Words have meaning

So who are these American born American Players in the Premiere League and other First Division leagues in Europe?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As long as athletes can make more professionally playing football and basketball than soccer, it will always be this way in the US.

Last time I checked, there are many professional soccer players earning a lot of money

Not in a US league and not US born players.