Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you spent time with homeschool kids?
And, are you going to home-employ DC too? Learning to deal with uncomfortable environments is a life skill. If your snowplow your kid to adulthood, don’t be surprised when they can’t deal in college, workplace, life.
This is a silly argument.
I’m on the spectrum and I heard this my entire life. Yet as adult I’ve built a successful life that pretty much avoids all the uncomfortable and sensory triggers that everyone told me I needed to “learn” to deal with. I have a masters, I work in data analytics, I live in a nice house, I’m married and I have kids.
I never have to do the adult equivalent of navigating a school cafeteria, dance or football game.
OP here-I meant to thank you for your perspective as an autistic person, a person with autism.
If you read the books by Temple Grandin she’s pretty adamant about not over-accomodating kids.
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/11/30/grandin-rejects-low-expectations-insists-workforce-critically-needs-people-with-autism-in-vanderbilt-lecture/
Temple Grandin is great, but she is one person with autism. There are many voices in the autistic community, and they do not all agree with her.
Well that’s kind of the point isn’t it?
And I think she’s right though. Research shows that kids on the spectrum with normal/high IQ face difficulties later in life specifically because their daily living skills falter compared to NT kids. We need to be getting our kids out into the world, not shielding them.
Yes, homeschooling is great for getting our kids out into the real world rather than having them trapped for hours every day in just a public school environment. Academics don't take nearly as long as they do in public school so we have ample time for working on daily living skills and being out in the community. It's also great for practicing social skills with people of all ages in all kinds of situations.
Of course, not every family can make homeschooling work, and there are some good public/private schools out there, too. I'm not sure which is right for OP. She should learn more about homeschooling in her area.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you spent time with homeschool kids?
And, are you going to home-employ DC too? Learning to deal with uncomfortable environments is a life skill. If your snowplow your kid to adulthood, don’t be surprised when they can’t deal in college, workplace, life.
This is a silly argument.
I’m on the spectrum and I heard this my entire life. Yet as adult I’ve built a successful life that pretty much avoids all the uncomfortable and sensory triggers that everyone told me I needed to “learn” to deal with. I have a masters, I work in data analytics, I live in a nice house, I’m married and I have kids.
I never have to do the adult equivalent of navigating a school cafeteria, dance or football game.
OP here-I meant to thank you for your perspective as an autistic person, a person with autism.
If you read the books by Temple Grandin she’s pretty adamant about not over-accomodating kids.
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/11/30/grandin-rejects-low-expectations-insists-workforce-critically-needs-people-with-autism-in-vanderbilt-lecture/
Temple Grandin is great, but she is one person with autism. There are many voices in the autistic community, and they do not all agree with her.
Well that’s kind of the point isn’t it?
And I think she’s right though. Research shows that kids on the spectrum with normal/high IQ face difficulties later in life specifically because their daily living skills falter compared to NT kids. We need to be getting our kids out into the world, not shielding them.
Parents need to do what is best for their child. There is no once size fits all.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you actually think she'd thrive better in online school? I find that very hard to believe for a sn child.
We had no issues with online school as did many other families who remained virtual. Not sure why you find it hard to believe. Some kids did better.
Most SN kids did not do better and that’s a fact. I can see some academics possibly being better but it’s not good to isolate any kids, and especially not good to isolate SN kids, unless there’s a really good reason for it.
My kid 100% did better with homeschool, academically, emotionally, and behaviorally. Socially it wasn't great (my fault) but now he's back in school and it's a social disaster. Not only does he have no friends, he also has to deal with getting constantly made fun of. The idea would be for me to have a WFH job and more bandwidth to find a good social outlet with homeschool, but sadly I have neither. What he is going through right now is absolutely not ideal, nor is it a good "learning experience" for him.
I mean you said it there - he didn’t get the socialization he needed and now he is having trouble adapting. I don’t doubt that there may be some extreme cases where homeschooling is appropriate as a temporary bridge to finding a better school. But isolation begets isolation. I’ve seen this happen - you end up with a teen who will not leave the house.
No, that isn't what happened. We only homeschooled for a year and a half, and much of that was during virtual learning. He went back for fifth grade. He had a few friends in fifth grade, but when social groups reorganized around middle school he just never fell into one again. Some kids just suck at being "normal" and navigating social situations when they are also dealing with massive sensory overload. Homeschool with good socialization would be ideal for him and I am positive he isn't alone.
I think the issue is that homeschool really isn’t compatible with “good socialization” let alone academics for most of our kids. Kids aren’t meant to be home all day with their parents - and definitely aren’t meant to be in front of a screen all day.
We did virtual for several years no issue but we also did outside activities. In person they are constantly on screens too... so there isn't as much socialization for many kids as you think. Kids are fine being with their parents all day. The issue here is both parents work full time so who will be taking care of the child and supporting them in either homeschooling or a virtual program? This is a younger child.
Op here, on break at work. The theoretical schedule would be, 3 days a week with grandmother who wants to participate, one day with Dad and one day with Mom, because we each have one week day off.
My mom already picked up my daughter today because she seemed distressed. Yet the school has not once reached out to me about what's going on so I think going with my instincts to, at the very least not enroll her there next year, or correct. I've got to sit down with her other parent and discuss all this.
OP, do you have anxiety?
Probably!
I do know homeschooled kids and now-adults who were homeschooled, fully or in part-they are like anyone else, not overly sheltered (at least in my life experience). I'm actually supportive of homeschooling. I just don't know anyone in my particular situation (although surely there must be).
So at the dr visit today (actually saw the ARNP, who has known dd since she was 2) the first suggestion she made about school was, the horsey school! And her own dc had gone to the GT academy. So we had a really informative visit. DD felt heard, and we decided to re-asses in a few months if we should see a pysch.
Her dad and I agree that she is not going back to present school after summer and dd is relieved about that.
You need to get her assessed now and not wait if she is struggling.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you actually think she'd thrive better in online school? I find that very hard to believe for a sn child.
We had no issues with online school as did many other families who remained virtual. Not sure why you find it hard to believe. Some kids did better.
Most SN kids did not do better and that’s a fact. I can see some academics possibly being better but it’s not good to isolate any kids, and especially not good to isolate SN kids, unless there’s a really good reason for it.
My kid 100% did better with homeschool, academically, emotionally, and behaviorally. Socially it wasn't great (my fault) but now he's back in school and it's a social disaster. Not only does he have no friends, he also has to deal with getting constantly made fun of. The idea would be for me to have a WFH job and more bandwidth to find a good social outlet with homeschool, but sadly I have neither. What he is going through right now is absolutely not ideal, nor is it a good "learning experience" for him.
I mean you said it there - he didn’t get the socialization he needed and now he is having trouble adapting. I don’t doubt that there may be some extreme cases where homeschooling is appropriate as a temporary bridge to finding a better school. But isolation begets isolation. I’ve seen this happen - you end up with a teen who will not leave the house.
No, that isn't what happened. We only homeschooled for a year and a half, and much of that was during virtual learning. He went back for fifth grade. He had a few friends in fifth grade, but when social groups reorganized around middle school he just never fell into one again. Some kids just suck at being "normal" and navigating social situations when they are also dealing with massive sensory overload. Homeschool with good socialization would be ideal for him and I am positive he isn't alone.
I think the issue is that homeschool really isn’t compatible with “good socialization” let alone academics for most of our kids. Kids aren’t meant to be home all day with their parents - and definitely aren’t meant to be in front of a screen all day.
We did virtual for several years no issue but we also did outside activities. In person they are constantly on screens too... so there isn't as much socialization for many kids as you think. Kids are fine being with their parents all day. The issue here is both parents work full time so who will be taking care of the child and supporting them in either homeschooling or a virtual program? This is a younger child.
Op here, on break at work. The theoretical schedule would be, 3 days a week with grandmother who wants to participate, one day with Dad and one day with Mom, because we each have one week day off.
My mom already picked up my daughter today because she seemed distressed. Yet the school has not once reached out to me about what's going on so I think going with my instincts to, at the very least not enroll her there next year, or correct. I've got to sit down with her other parent and discuss all this.
OP, do you have anxiety?
Probably!
I do know homeschooled kids and now-adults who were homeschooled, fully or in part-they are like anyone else, not overly sheltered (at least in my life experience). I'm actually supportive of homeschooling. I just don't know anyone in my particular situation (although surely there must be).
So at the dr visit today (actually saw the ARNP, who has known dd since she was 2) the first suggestion she made about school was, the horsey school! And her own dc had gone to the GT academy. So we had a really informative visit. DD felt heard, and we decided to re-asses in a few months if we should see a pysch.
Her dad and I agree that she is not going back to present school after summer and dd is relieved about that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you actually think she'd thrive better in online school? I find that very hard to believe for a sn child.
We had no issues with online school as did many other families who remained virtual. Not sure why you find it hard to believe. Some kids did better.
Most SN kids did not do better and that’s a fact. I can see some academics possibly being better but it’s not good to isolate any kids, and especially not good to isolate SN kids, unless there’s a really good reason for it.
My kid 100% did better with homeschool, academically, emotionally, and behaviorally. Socially it wasn't great (my fault) but now he's back in school and it's a social disaster. Not only does he have no friends, he also has to deal with getting constantly made fun of. The idea would be for me to have a WFH job and more bandwidth to find a good social outlet with homeschool, but sadly I have neither. What he is going through right now is absolutely not ideal, nor is it a good "learning experience" for him.
I mean you said it there - he didn’t get the socialization he needed and now he is having trouble adapting. I don’t doubt that there may be some extreme cases where homeschooling is appropriate as a temporary bridge to finding a better school. But isolation begets isolation. I’ve seen this happen - you end up with a teen who will not leave the house.
No, that isn't what happened. We only homeschooled for a year and a half, and much of that was during virtual learning. He went back for fifth grade. He had a few friends in fifth grade, but when social groups reorganized around middle school he just never fell into one again. Some kids just suck at being "normal" and navigating social situations when they are also dealing with massive sensory overload. Homeschool with good socialization would be ideal for him and I am positive he isn't alone.
I think the issue is that homeschool really isn’t compatible with “good socialization” let alone academics for most of our kids. Kids aren’t meant to be home all day with their parents - and definitely aren’t meant to be in front of a screen all day.
We did virtual for several years no issue but we also did outside activities. In person they are constantly on screens too... so there isn't as much socialization for many kids as you think. Kids are fine being with their parents all day. The issue here is both parents work full time so who will be taking care of the child and supporting them in either homeschooling or a virtual program? This is a younger child.
Op here, on break at work. The theoretical schedule would be, 3 days a week with grandmother who wants to participate, one day with Dad and one day with Mom, because we each have one week day off.
My mom already picked up my daughter today because she seemed distressed. Yet the school has not once reached out to me about what's going on so I think going with my instincts to, at the very least not enroll her there next year, or correct. I've got to sit down with her other parent and discuss all this.
OP, do you have anxiety?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you spent time with homeschool kids?
And, are you going to home-employ DC too? Learning to deal with uncomfortable environments is a life skill. If your snowplow your kid to adulthood, don’t be surprised when they can’t deal in college, workplace, life.
This is a silly argument.
I’m on the spectrum and I heard this my entire life. Yet as adult I’ve built a successful life that pretty much avoids all the uncomfortable and sensory triggers that everyone told me I needed to “learn” to deal with. I have a masters, I work in data analytics, I live in a nice house, I’m married and I have kids.
I never have to do the adult equivalent of navigating a school cafeteria, dance or football game.
OP here-I meant to thank you for your perspective as an autistic person, a person with autism.
If you read the books by Temple Grandin she’s pretty adamant about not over-accomodating kids.
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/11/30/grandin-rejects-low-expectations-insists-workforce-critically-needs-people-with-autism-in-vanderbilt-lecture/
Temple Grandin is great, but she is one person with autism. There are many voices in the autistic community, and they do not all agree with her.
Well that’s kind of the point isn’t it?
And I think she’s right though. Research shows that kids on the spectrum with normal/high IQ face difficulties later in life specifically because their daily living skills falter compared to NT kids. We need to be getting our kids out into the world, not shielding them.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you spent time with homeschool kids?
And, are you going to home-employ DC too? Learning to deal with uncomfortable environments is a life skill. If your snowplow your kid to adulthood, don’t be surprised when they can’t deal in college, workplace, life.
This is a silly argument.
I’m on the spectrum and I heard this my entire life. Yet as adult I’ve built a successful life that pretty much avoids all the uncomfortable and sensory triggers that everyone told me I needed to “learn” to deal with. I have a masters, I work in data analytics, I live in a nice house, I’m married and I have kids.
I never have to do the adult equivalent of navigating a school cafeteria, dance or football game.
OP here-I meant to thank you for your perspective as an autistic person, a person with autism.
If you read the books by Temple Grandin she’s pretty adamant about not over-accomodating kids.
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/11/30/grandin-rejects-low-expectations-insists-workforce-critically-needs-people-with-autism-in-vanderbilt-lecture/
Temple Grandin is great, but she is one person with autism. There are many voices in the autistic community, and they do not all agree with her.
Well that’s kind of the point isn’t it?
And I think she’s right though. Research shows that kids on the spectrum with normal/high IQ face difficulties later in life specifically because their daily living skills falter compared to NT kids. We need to be getting our kids out into the world, not shielding them.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you spent time with homeschool kids?
And, are you going to home-employ DC too? Learning to deal with uncomfortable environments is a life skill. If your snowplow your kid to adulthood, don’t be surprised when they can’t deal in college, workplace, life.
This is a silly argument.
I’m on the spectrum and I heard this my entire life. Yet as adult I’ve built a successful life that pretty much avoids all the uncomfortable and sensory triggers that everyone told me I needed to “learn” to deal with. I have a masters, I work in data analytics, I live in a nice house, I’m married and I have kids.
I never have to do the adult equivalent of navigating a school cafeteria, dance or football game.
OP here-I meant to thank you for your perspective as an autistic person, a person with autism.
If you read the books by Temple Grandin she’s pretty adamant about not over-accomodating kids.
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/11/30/grandin-rejects-low-expectations-insists-workforce-critically-needs-people-with-autism-in-vanderbilt-lecture/
Temple Grandin is great, but she is one person with autism. There are many voices in the autistic community, and they do not all agree with her.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you actually think she'd thrive better in online school? I find that very hard to believe for a sn child.
We had no issues with online school as did many other families who remained virtual. Not sure why you find it hard to believe. Some kids did better.
Is your child SN? And you left them in front of the computer 8h a day and think they did fine?
Yes, they did great. We didn't leave them in front of the computer. You clearly don't know how virtual works.
How old was your child? Virtual for a small child with basic educational needs who still gets primary socializing through the family is one thing. Virtual for an older, gifted child who needs access to advanced teachers and facilities (eg science labs) and needs to learn to navigate peers is another thing.
Removing a child on the spectrum from a setting where *they have friends* and isolating them at home is just wrong.
Older child. They still did labs and many other things. We just bought the supplies. You clearly are not familiar with all virtual schools.
You can’t replicate labs like that, lol.
Also - of course a well-adjusted, NT child might do just fine in virtual. They will make friends outside of school, pick up social skills naturally, and be able to pay attention to a screen and tolerate not being around peers most of the day. A SN child is very different.
There are a good number in virtual as the parents were not happy with in person and wanted to be able to support their kids better. You have no idea what you are talking about. I don't see how OP could make it work but plenty do.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you actually think she'd thrive better in online school? I find that very hard to believe for a sn child.
We had no issues with online school as did many other families who remained virtual. Not sure why you find it hard to believe. Some kids did better.
Most SN kids did not do better and that’s a fact. I can see some academics possibly being better but it’s not good to isolate any kids, and especially not good to isolate SN kids, unless there’s a really good reason for it.
My kid 100% did better with homeschool, academically, emotionally, and behaviorally. Socially it wasn't great (my fault) but now he's back in school and it's a social disaster. Not only does he have no friends, he also has to deal with getting constantly made fun of. The idea would be for me to have a WFH job and more bandwidth to find a good social outlet with homeschool, but sadly I have neither. What he is going through right now is absolutely not ideal, nor is it a good "learning experience" for him.
I mean you said it there - he didn’t get the socialization he needed and now he is having trouble adapting. I don’t doubt that there may be some extreme cases where homeschooling is appropriate as a temporary bridge to finding a better school. But isolation begets isolation. I’ve seen this happen - you end up with a teen who will not leave the house.
No, that isn't what happened. We only homeschooled for a year and a half, and much of that was during virtual learning. He went back for fifth grade. He had a few friends in fifth grade, but when social groups reorganized around middle school he just never fell into one again. Some kids just suck at being "normal" and navigating social situations when they are also dealing with massive sensory overload. Homeschool with good socialization would be ideal for him and I am positive he isn't alone.
I think the issue is that homeschool really isn’t compatible with “good socialization” let alone academics for most of our kids. Kids aren’t meant to be home all day with their parents - and definitely aren’t meant to be in front of a screen all day.
We did virtual for several years no issue but we also did outside activities. In person they are constantly on screens too... so there isn't as much socialization for many kids as you think. Kids are fine being with their parents all day. The issue here is both parents work full time so who will be taking care of the child and supporting them in either homeschooling or a virtual program? This is a younger child.
Op here, on break at work. The theoretical schedule would be, 3 days a week with grandmother who wants to participate, one day with Dad and one day with Mom, because we each have one week day off.
My mom already picked up my daughter today because she seemed distressed. Yet the school has not once reached out to me about what's going on so I think going with my instincts to, at the very least not enroll her there next year, or correct. I've got to sit down with her other parent and discuss all this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you spent time with homeschool kids?
And, are you going to home-employ DC too? Learning to deal with uncomfortable environments is a life skill. If your snowplow your kid to adulthood, don’t be surprised when they can’t deal in college, workplace, life.
This is a silly argument.
I’m on the spectrum and I heard this my entire life. Yet as adult I’ve built a successful life that pretty much avoids all the uncomfortable and sensory triggers that everyone told me I needed to “learn” to deal with. I have a masters, I work in data analytics, I live in a nice house, I’m married and I have kids.
I never have to do the adult equivalent of navigating a school cafeteria, dance or football game.
OP here-I meant to thank you for your perspective as an autistic person, a person with autism.
If you read the books by Temple Grandin she’s pretty adamant about not over-accomodating kids.
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/11/30/grandin-rejects-low-expectations-insists-workforce-critically-needs-people-with-autism-in-vanderbilt-lecture/
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you actually think she'd thrive better in online school? I find that very hard to believe for a sn child.
We had no issues with online school as did many other families who remained virtual. Not sure why you find it hard to believe. Some kids did better.
Is your child SN? And you left them in front of the computer 8h a day and think they did fine?
Yes, they did great. We didn't leave them in front of the computer. You clearly don't know how virtual works.
How old was your child? Virtual for a small child with basic educational needs who still gets primary socializing through the family is one thing. Virtual for an older, gifted child who needs access to advanced teachers and facilities (eg science labs) and needs to learn to navigate peers is another thing.
Removing a child on the spectrum from a setting where *they have friends* and isolating them at home is just wrong.
Older child. They still did labs and many other things. We just bought the supplies. You clearly are not familiar with all virtual schools.
You can’t replicate labs like that, lol.
Also - of course a well-adjusted, NT child might do just fine in virtual. They will make friends outside of school, pick up social skills naturally, and be able to pay attention to a screen and tolerate not being around peers most of the day. A SN child is very different.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you spent time with homeschool kids?
And, are you going to home-employ DC too? Learning to deal with uncomfortable environments is a life skill. If your snowplow your kid to adulthood, don’t be surprised when they can’t deal in college, workplace, life.
This is a silly argument.
I’m on the spectrum and I heard this my entire life. Yet as adult I’ve built a successful life that pretty much avoids all the uncomfortable and sensory triggers that everyone told me I needed to “learn” to deal with. I have a masters, I work in data analytics, I live in a nice house, I’m married and I have kids.
I never have to do the adult equivalent of navigating a school cafeteria, dance or football game.
OP here-I meant to thank you for your perspective as an autistic person, a person with autism.
If you read the books by Temple Grandin she’s pretty adamant about not over-accomodating kids.
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/11/30/grandin-rejects-low-expectations-insists-workforce-critically-needs-people-with-autism-in-vanderbilt-lecture/
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, the problem with asking homeschooling questions on DCUM is that you will get a lot of feedback from people who have never homeschooled and don't actually know anything about it. Homeschooling has been great for my kid, but I am able to teach them one on one (which is how they learn best),and I am available to drive them to their activities where they get time with other kids.
Might I suggest you pose your question also to some homeschool groups? I like these groups, for example:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/441792022666177
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1239263679419074
Is your child on the spectrum? How old? Do they have any true friendships? Do they have the opportunity to spend unstructured, self-directed time with peers or is it all adult-led activities?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you spent time with homeschool kids?
And, are you going to home-employ DC too? Learning to deal with uncomfortable environments is a life skill. If your snowplow your kid to adulthood, don’t be surprised when they can’t deal in college, workplace, life.
This is a silly argument.
I’m on the spectrum and I heard this my entire life. Yet as adult I’ve built a successful life that pretty much avoids all the uncomfortable and sensory triggers that everyone told me I needed to “learn” to deal with. I have a masters, I work in data analytics, I live in a nice house, I’m married and I have kids.
I never have to do the adult equivalent of navigating a school cafeteria, dance or football game.
OP here-I meant to thank you for your perspective as an autistic person, a person with autism.