Anonymous
04/14/2024 18:36
Subject: Re:TJ results out
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Anonymous
04/14/2024 18:34
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
It looks like this poster was assuming this is the same number as algebra 2 in 8th grade.
That's correct. Upto 200 students complete Algebra-2 in 8th grade, of them significant number complete Algebra 1 in 6th and rest majority take summer geometry. Even in Loudoun, URM kids are not aware of this acceleration path, which also needs to be addressed from an equity perspective.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 18:28
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
It looks like this poster was assuming this is the same number as algebra 2 in 8th grade.
Unlike in FCPS, loudoun middle school has three grades 6th to 8th, and it's more common for 6th graders to be in Algebra 1.
There were 30 kids taking Algebra 1 in 6th grade in Loudoun County. I understand that Loudoun County is smaller then FCPS but it is still rare for a 6th grader to take Algebra 1 in Loudoun County. I believe Loudon County has 82,000 or so students. Assuming an even class size across 13 grades (K-12), there are 6,307 6th graders. That means 0.005% of the 6th graders are taking Algebra 1.
Algebra 1 in 6th grade is a rare event.
And pointing to the few kids who end up in Calculus or Pre-Calc in 9th grade simply points to the fact that it is a rare event. Those students are probably not well served in any public school, even TJ, because they clearly need more then is offered at the vast majority of the schools in the US.
The kids who are highly accelerated in math actually are quite well served at TJ. TJ is basically the only chance for them to be well served in a NoVa public school. But math level is no longer considered, so getting admitted is a crapshoot even for the kids who need TJ.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 18:26
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
It looks like this poster was assuming this is the same number as algebra 2 in 8th grade.
Unlike in FCPS, loudoun middle school has three grades 6th to 8th, and it's more common for 6th graders to be in Algebra 1.
There were 30 kids taking Algebra 1 in 6th grade in Loudoun County. I understand that Loudoun County is smaller then FCPS but it is still rare for a 6th grader to take Algebra 1 in Loudoun County. I believe Loudon County has 82,000 or so students. Assuming an even class size across 13 grades (K-12), there are 6,307 6th graders. That means 0.005% of the 6th graders are taking Algebra 1.
Algebra 1 in 6th grade is a rare event.
And pointing to the few kids who end up in Calculus or Pre-Calc in 9th grade simply points to the fact that it is a rare event. Those students are probably not well served in any public school, even TJ, because they clearly need more then is offered at the vast majority of the schools in the US.
TJ welcomes advanced students as they went through great lengths creating post AP DE advanced math courses. Are you saying these advanced courses are for 8th grade Algebra 1 students?
Anonymous
04/14/2024 18:21
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
It looks like this poster was assuming this is the same number as algebra 2 in 8th grade.
Unlike in FCPS, loudoun middle school has three grades 6th to 8th, and it's more common for 6th graders to be in Algebra 1.
There were 30 kids taking Algebra 1 in 6th grade in Loudoun County. I understand that Loudoun County is smaller then FCPS but it is still rare for a 6th grader to take Algebra 1 in Loudoun County. I believe Loudon County has 82,000 or so students. Assuming an even class size across 13 grades (K-12), there are 6,307 6th graders. That means 0.005% of the 6th graders are taking Algebra 1.
Algebra 1 in 6th grade is a rare event.
And pointing to the few kids who end up in Calculus or Pre-Calc in 9th grade simply points to the fact that it is a rare event. Those students are probably not well served in any public school, even TJ, because they clearly need more then is offered at the vast majority of the schools in the US.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 17:44
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
It looks like this poster was assuming this is the same number as algebra 2 in 8th grade.
Unlike in FCPS, loudoun middle school has three grades 6th to 8th, and it's more common for 6th graders to be in Algebra 1.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 17:29
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
It looks like this poster was assuming this is the same number as algebra 2 in 8th grade.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 17:26
Subject: TJ results out
Loudoun had at least one 8th grader taking calculus, who had previously gone to BASIS.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 14:52
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.
Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.
DD messed her essays. Waitlisted
Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DS Accepted. pre-calculus, 4.0, Asian
Pre-calculus? What do kids do at TJ if they've already gone this far in math?
DC currently at TJ completed pre-calc in middle school, outside FCPS. past precalc, TJ has four levels: Calc AB, Calc BC, Multi/linear, elementary diff & applied math techniques
Anonymous wrote:DC waitlisted. 4.0. AP Pre-Calculus. Won gold, silver, bronze in different competitions. Volunteered a lot with the community (because DC wanted to do so, not bc of TJ. DC will continue doing so no matter what).
DC’s friends, DC, us and everyone knew DC were shocked with the result.
DC is resilient though. DC started discussing a new plan at base HS with us.
When did they complete alg 1/geo/alg 2?
Students coming from participating public school systems, would have completed Algebra 2 in 8th grade. Those from private or niche magnet school would have completed algebra 2 in 7th, but they are too small (TS) in number. But vast majority of students enter TJ having completed Geometry in 8th grade.
What private school or magnate school is sending kids who have completed algebra 2 in 7th grade? Because the big knock on private schools for ES is that they don’t differentiate in math and kids who are advanced in math are not challenged. The only exceptions are Nysmith and Basis. This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
APS does not have a lot of kids in Algebra 2 in 8th grade. Loudoun has the same number of kids as FCPS in Algebra 2 in 8th grade. It is an exception tot he rule.
A small percentage of kids have completed Algebra 2 in 8th grade, most of whom took geometry in the summer to do so.
Agree. Few of DDs classmates took geometry over summer. Got Bs in geometry and took algebra 2 in 8th grade. She’s in one of the top middle schools in fcps.
I’m curious though about how many got in from DD math counts club at her school.
One PP posted his kid is math counts 3.5 gpa and got in. I was genuinely curious about this even before he posted. Only saw one such post. My DD doesn’t have any friends in math club at her school.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 14:33
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.
Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.
DD messed her essays. Waitlisted
Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DS Accepted. pre-calculus, 4.0, Asian
Pre-calculus? What do kids do at TJ if they've already gone this far in math?
DC currently at TJ completed pre-calc in middle school, outside FCPS. past precalc, TJ has four levels: Calc AB, Calc BC, Multi/linear, elementary diff & applied math techniques
Anonymous wrote:DC waitlisted. 4.0. AP Pre-Calculus. Won gold, silver, bronze in different competitions. Volunteered a lot with the community (because DC wanted to do so, not bc of TJ. DC will continue doing so no matter what).
DC’s friends, DC, us and everyone knew DC were shocked with the result.
DC is resilient though. DC started discussing a new plan at base HS with us.
When did they complete alg 1/geo/alg 2?
Students coming from participating public school systems, would have completed Algebra 2 in 8th grade. Those from private or niche magnet school would have completed algebra 2 in 7th, but they are too small (TS) in number. But vast majority of students enter TJ having completed Geometry in 8th grade.
What private school or magnate school is sending kids who have completed algebra 2 in 7th grade? Because the big knock on private schools for ES is that they don’t differentiate in math and kids who are advanced in math are not challenged. The only exceptions are Nysmith and Basis. This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
APS does not have a lot of kids in Algebra 2 in 8th grade. Loudoun has the same number of kids as FCPS in Algebra 2 in 8th grade. It is an exception tot he rule.
A small percentage of kids have completed Algebra 2 in 8th grade, most of whom took geometry in the summer to do so.
Multiple school systems with successful 8th graders in Algebra 2, with almost all above proficient, as SOL data shows. Sure any advanced enrollment would be a small percent compared to general ed students. But why is this being kept a secret from under represented minority students who typically have uninformed parents? Where is equity in advanced math? Equity is getting a bad name because it is being used as justification for pushing remedial kids into next level math at low end. But, hello!, we have equity concerns at the top end too. Expand the outreach for advanced offerings, and increase enrollment, as opposed to creating barriers to enrollment in them.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 13:15
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.
Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.
DD messed her essays. Waitlisted
Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DS Accepted. pre-calculus, 4.0, Asian
Pre-calculus? What do kids do at TJ if they've already gone this far in math?
DC currently at TJ completed pre-calc in middle school, outside FCPS. past precalc, TJ has four levels: Calc AB, Calc BC, Multi/linear, elementary diff & applied math techniques
Anonymous wrote:DC waitlisted. 4.0. AP Pre-Calculus. Won gold, silver, bronze in different competitions. Volunteered a lot with the community (because DC wanted to do so, not bc of TJ. DC will continue doing so no matter what).
DC’s friends, DC, us and everyone knew DC were shocked with the result.
DC is resilient though. DC started discussing a new plan at base HS with us.
When did they complete alg 1/geo/alg 2?
Students coming from participating public school systems, would have completed Algebra 2 in 8th grade. Those from private or niche magnet school would have completed algebra 2 in 7th, but they are too small (TS) in number. But vast majority of students enter TJ having completed Geometry in 8th grade.
What private school or magnate school is sending kids who have completed algebra 2 in 7th grade? Because the big knock on private schools for ES is that they don’t differentiate in math and kids who are advanced in math are not challenged. The only exceptions are Nysmith and Basis. This claim sounds to be as valid as the poster who was saying that Loudoun County has 200 6th graders in Algebra 1 when the SOL scores show 30 kids in Algebra 1 in Loudoun.
APS does not have a lot of kids in Algebra 2 in 8th grade. Loudoun has the same number of kids as FCPS in Algebra 2 in 8th grade. It is an exception tot he rule.
A small percentage of kids have completed Algebra 2 in 8th grade, most of whom took geometry in the summer to do so.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 13:11
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.
Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.
DD messed her essays. Waitlisted
Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus
troll post desperately convincing others that math acceleration doesnt help getting into TJ. Troll may have a point, since admissions doesnot evaluate student's math level.
But what troll doesnt mention is math acceleration in middle school lets that student take the highest level of advanced math courses offered at TJ, after getting admitted. TJ has been offering advanced math post AP DE courses for decades, and only fast learners on accelerated path have access to them, and never the Algebra 1 in 8th grade kids. The most the bottom student entering with 8th grade Algebra 1 is at best Calc AB, that too with significant remedial help.
Agree 100%. The math level is not counted as part of the application process, that's a shame IMO but it is what it is. But if you are entering TJ with just Algebra 1 then it will be a struggle as you cannot take advantage of the advanced math classes offered by TJ and thus risk being in the bottom low. Please understand that the rigor and difficulty level at TJ is much higher than your base high school so if you did get in with Algebra 1, you seriously want to rethink accepting the offer, especially if you were not able to complete the very straightforward math problem. Essays might have got you in but they cannot help you thrive at TJ.
TJ is a STEM school, not a Math school. You sound confused. Also, "bottom low" isn't a noun. Or a thing.
The M is stem is for math. Other parents have explained the importance of math in science very well. Welcome to TJ!
Anonymous
04/14/2024 12:41
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.
Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.
DD messed her essays. Waitlisted
Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DS Accepted. pre-calculus, 4.0, Asian
Pre-calculus? What do kids do at TJ if they've already gone this far in math?
DC currently at TJ completed pre-calc in middle school, outside FCPS. past precalc, TJ has four levels: Calc AB, Calc BC, Multi/linear, elementary diff & applied math techniques
Anonymous wrote:DC waitlisted. 4.0. AP Pre-Calculus. Won gold, silver, bronze in different competitions. Volunteered a lot with the community (because DC wanted to do so, not bc of TJ. DC will continue doing so no matter what).
DC’s friends, DC, us and everyone knew DC were shocked with the result.
DC is resilient though. DC started discussing a new plan at base HS with us.
When did they complete alg 1/geo/alg 2?
Students coming from participating public school systems, would have completed Algebra 2 in 8th grade. Those from private or niche magnet school would have completed algebra 2 in 7th, but they are too small (TS) in number. But vast majority of students enter TJ having completed Geometry in 8th grade.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 12:35
Subject: TJ results out
Learning science without learning math is impossible, and TJ science courses have math as the prerequisite. From the start, needing to learn math is emphasized including statistics. There is some misinformation out there that graduation from TJ is possible without enrolling in calculus, and that calculus is more appropriate for college. This deferment might work in base school where student can graduate with just Algebra 2, but this option doesnot exist at TJ. Calc is required, and no it cant wait until college.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 12:06
Subject: TJ results out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DD says last year Math was easier than this year’s question.
Wording on this year’s made it lil more confusing than last year’s question. According to her - once you get thru that then it is a straightforward answer.
DD messed her essays. Waitlisted
Asian, 4.00 GPA, pre-calculus
troll post desperately convincing others that math acceleration doesnt help getting into TJ. Troll may have a point, since admissions doesnot evaluate student's math level.
But what troll doesnt mention is math acceleration in middle school lets that student take the highest level of advanced math courses offered at TJ, after getting admitted
Agree 100%. The math level is not counted as part of the application process, that's a shame IMO but it is what it is. But if you are entering TJ with just Algebra 1 then it will be a struggle as you cannot take advantage of the advanced math classes offered by TJ and thus risk being in the bottom low. Please understand that the rigor and difficulty level at TJ is much higher than your base high school so if you did get in with Algebra 1, you seriously want to rethink accepting the offer, especially if you were not able to complete the very straightforward math problem. Essays might have got you in but they cannot help you thrive at TJ.
TJ is a STEM school, not a Math school. You sound confused. Also, "bottom low" isn't a noun. Or a thing.
You're right. Kids who demonstrate that they're exceptional in some science arena belong at TJ, even if their math level isn't as high. It's a shame that none of this is a part of the application process. If teacher recommendations, significant STEM awards, and some sort of science test (ACT Aspire, perhaps)were included in the application process, then kids who are above and beyond in science should be admitted, even if their math level is lower. Instead, they're assuming that a kid who writes pretty portrait of a graduate essays must have some special STEM talent, even though they haven't demonstrated anything.