Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So they got what they wanted and are unhappy about it? Is that only because voters can undo it in November?

This is what I don't get: they got what they wanted! Are they upset that what they wanted is TOO strict?

Make it make sense.

If by “they” you mean GOP, well then, yes. When has MAGA ever made sense?

Um, easy: border security. That’s what most of us care about, our basic safety, not getting an abortion.

Well, my "basic safety" required an abortion to save my life due to a very dearly wanted, but eventually life-threatening, pregnancy. So, there's that perspective.

https://apple.news/AoTEYeXHWQTagr63oXkMfPg

Ok so back to the politics of the this…

Arizona Republicans said they don’t agree with this law but …https://apple.news/AoTEYeXHWQTagr63oXkMfPg

They blocked an effort by democrats to stop the law from taking affect. Effect?
Either way. I’m guessing the Republicans aren’t actually conflicted about this law.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone paying attention.

Absolutely. No doubt at all about this pathway to ban abortion. Project 2025 is going to force catholic norms on us all if Trump is elected.

You are mischaracterizing Catholic norms. Yes, the Catholic Church is opposed to abortion, but opinion polls show that the majority of Catholics favor abortion rights in most or all cases. Catholics are twice as likely to favor abortion rights as Evangelicals.

Just get your facts straight about where the danger is really coming from. Yes, the Catholics on the S.C. were pivotal in overturning Roe, but the abortion bans being passed in the states are being driven by Evangelicals.

Yet the Catholic faithful sit their butts in the pews, allowing the church to do whatever it likes in regards to political activism (and crimes against children going completely unpunished). You can pretend all you want that this is all the Evangelicals, but the Catholic church is just as involved in getting this basket of crap pushed onto America.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So they got what they wanted and are unhappy about it? Is that only because voters can undo it in November?

This is what I don't get: they got what they wanted! Are they upset that what they wanted is TOO strict?

Make it make sense.

If by “they” you mean GOP, well then, yes. When has MAGA ever made sense?

Um, easy: border security. That’s what most of us care about, our basic safety, not getting an abortion.

Weird that you don’t equate a women’s ability to get an abortion for her health with safety.

For most women, intervening to end the life within her, is so much more risky than allowing her baby to have a normal birth. Study obstetrics, my friend.

Could you please stop posting this nonsense!

You have the IQ of a tick.

None of what you post is true. Not a single syllable.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For anyone paying attention.

Absolutely. No doubt at all about this pathway to ban abortion. Project 2025 is going to force catholic norms on us all if Trump is elected.

You are mischaracterizing Catholic norms. Yes, the Catholic Church is opposed to abortion, but opinion polls show that the majority of Catholics favor abortion rights in most or all cases. Catholics are twice as likely to favor abortion rights as Evangelicals.

Just get your facts straight about where the danger is really coming from. Yes, the Catholics on the S.C. were pivotal in overturning Roe, but the abortion bans being passed in the states are being driven by Evangelicals.

Exactly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So they got what they wanted and are unhappy about it? Is that only because voters can undo it in November?

This is what I don't get: they got what they wanted! Are they upset that what they wanted is TOO strict?

Make it make sense.

If by “they” you mean GOP, well then, yes. When has MAGA ever made sense?

Um, easy: border security. That’s what most of us care about, our basic safety, not getting an abortion.

This is the most sophmoric reasoning I have ever seen. Congrats.

Too bad for you. I’m a woman.

Please post your IQ test.

Anonymous wrote:And now the GOP panic - because Republicans got in bed with far right evangelicals, anti-abortion nutjobs and others, they enabled, pandered to and empowered them and created and unleashed a monster - and now the Republicans are finally learning they can no longer control the monster that THEY created. The monster they created is going to leave a bloody trail of Republicans at ballot boxes and they are in panic mode. Sorry, GOP... too late to stuff the genie back in its bottle.

Amen.

Anonymous wrote:Well, as a result of this ruling, some little boys and girls - not many, maybe just a few, maybe only one little boy or girl - will be born rather than butchered.

Yeah, and for every forced birth, hundreds of women will be permanently injured or die because of Arizona's total ban on abortion.

Shame on you. I hope someone you love doesn't need to have an abortion to save her life.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Please, let's stay on topic. Let's not go off on a tangent about pro-life vs anti-life.

It sounds to me like Trump was trying to stop abortion from being an issue in November, but Arizona's Supreme Court ensured that it will be an issue, in Arizona and beyond, due to the strictness of the law there.

In other words, they would have been happier if this ruling had come about after November, when Trump would have potentially already been elected. Then it wouldn't affect the electability of Republicans throughout the country.

Thanks everyone! I appreciate you helping me connect the dots on this one.

Do you have a daughter, OP? A mother, sister, granddaughter, a female friend of child-bearing age?

If so, you cannot support a total ban on abortion unless you want to put your relatives and friends lives at risk should they ever become pregnant and for any reason need to have an abortion to preserve their health or save their life.

Saving your life or the life of a loved one is a very real, personal matter that crosses party lines. Even the most die-hard abortion opponent would not allow a loved one to die if an abortion would save their loved one's life.

In Arizona, no doctor will perform an abortion, even to save a woman's life, since that is a judgement call, and that doctdor could go to jail if a court of non-medically trained judges decide the doctor should not have made that call.

That's why this issue will down the right-wing nut case GOP in 2024.

These threads always devolve into a debate about the morality of abortion.
I would love to debate the politics but we can’t because republicans are so deeply misinformed/ignorant, the threads unravel into arguing the basics of science and anatomy.
All for not, because some idiot will wander in 3 pages later spewing some nonsense Sister Agnes or Pastor Steve told them in 8th grade.
And the cycle will begin anew.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So they got what they wanted and are unhappy about it? Is that only because voters can undo it in November?

This is what I don't get: they got what they wanted! Are they upset that what they wanted is TOO strict?

Make it make sense.

If by “they” you mean GOP, well then, yes. When has MAGA ever made sense?

Um, easy: border security. That’s what most of us care about, our basic safety, not getting an abortion.

Weird that you don’t equate a women’s ability to get an abortion for her health with safety.

For most women, intervening to end the life within her, is so much more risky than allowing her baby to have a normal birth. Study obstetrics, my friend.

I’ve had four pregnancies. Three live births and one missed miscarriage. Please do not preach to me about obstetrics.

+1. Also 4 pregnancies. 2 c-sections (one of a premie we almost lost), a ruptured ectopic and a miscarriage. Sure, no risks at all carrying a child to term.

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is highly risky. The longer the pregnancy, the more risky it is. Messing about with your reproductive organs is risky. Any surgery is risky. Any physician can tell you that.

Pregnancy is much, much riskier than abortion. If you were an Ob/Gyn, you would know that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For anyone paying attention.

Absolutely. No doubt at all about this pathway to ban abortion. Project 2025 is going to force catholic norms on us all if Trump is elected.

You are mischaracterizing Catholic norms. Yes, the Catholic Church is opposed to abortion, but opinion polls show that the majority of Catholics favor abortion rights in most or all cases. Catholics are twice as likely to favor abortion rights as Evangelicals.

Just get your facts straight about where the danger is really coming from. Yes, the Catholics on the S.C. were pivotal in overturning Roe, but the abortion bans being passed in the states are being driven by Evangelicals.

Democrats don’t care about facts.

Lapsed Catholic here. And lapsed because of the hypocrisy. You should get on your moral high horse and impose your religion on others if you aren’t willing to live it— even the inconvenient pieces— yourself. There is nothing admirable or moral about following a religion “except the parts I don’t like.”

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is highly risky. The longer the pregnancy, the more risky it is. Messing about with your reproductive organs is risky. Any surgery is risky. Any physician can tell you that.

This is untrue. Unless you are talking about the less than 1% of abortions that happen after the second trimester. In those cases, something has already gone terribly wrong with the mother or the baby or both. And it’s all risky. By definition, late term abortions happen because there will not be a a healthy “normal” birth.

Which is why a woman, her partner and her doctor should make the decision about what is best for her health and their unborn child. Not a church full of people speaking in tongues. And many of these pregnancies are wanted babies with shiny new nurseries waiting for them. And the loss of the pregnancy— whether through abortion or stillbirth or a baby who never comes home is a tragedy. Taking away women’s right to decide how to deal with that tragedy is unbelievably cruel. And will not result is a beautiful,healthy child.

As for the other 99+% of abortions— you know what messed with your reproductive organs more than a medication abortion at 8 weeks? A C-section (had two— major abdominal surgery with at least a six week recovery). Also a ruptured ectopic pregnancy, which destroys your fertility.

Get some basic information on female reproduction dude.